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#671 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
The idea that no plan is in place is patently absurd. The issue as has been evidenced by anyone paying attention are state governments arguing about how to allocate and disperse the vaccine. The Feds shouldn't be telling states how to do this. The nursing home fatalities that comprise the majority of our COVID deaths can be blamed at two state governors, one being my own. But they're registered Democrats, so blaming them isn't an option for the media or their loyalists. But the dipshit who lead my state's response is now the under Secretary! The media has been celebrating her since she's transgender, but not a mention at all of how she pulled her own mother from a nursing home before ordering COVID patients back to them, accounting for 80% of the deaths in PA. The same idiot who arbitrarily closed restaurants and businesses she didn't like, and failed to provide any scientific evidence for her orders in court. But Biden just fired the black surgeon general which would have been decried as racist a few months ago, but logical consistency has gone out of favor for outrage culture. Why is WV able to handle the task, but NY is throwing vaccines away? That's Trump's fault, but in no way Cuomo's according to our experts and overlords.
#672 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:And the most diverse and only nation to integrate a formerly subjugated people as equals, but when you are self loathing, you'll find a reason to take issue with anything. Do a substantial portion of European nation citizens loathe their country or is this a uniquely American problem?
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If you think this is the only way to love America you're a whack job. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a Trump supporter.
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It's concerning that you need to look at the US like a child in social studies reading our white-washed history.
Who could've predicted this would be Mitch's response today?
Anyone who's actually read his posting history the past 4 years.
#673 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
IRISH OS1R1S wrote:Mitch I thought you'd be super happy today. I'm confused.
Don't get me wrong...I never thought this day would come...the two months between the election and the inauguration seemed incredibly long this time around.
I just don't buy into the rah rah stuff about the US. and I especially don't like to be told how to be an American by a guy who thinks he's more of an American than I am most likely because of his brief stint in the military.
I served 10 years, you need to quit this lie. Nor did I say I’m a better American. Someone said something positive about the US, and you did your normal negativity. You hate this country and trash it at every corner. You celebrated Covid and said we deserve this. Non-Americans are calling you out on your negativity. But please, blame me and dismiss my 10 years of service because you chose to stay within 100 miles of your birth your entire life. I’m just saying maybe you don’t have the insight you think you do.
#674 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
And the most diverse and only nation to integrate a formerly subjugated people as equals, but when you are self loathing, you'll find a reason to take issue with anything. Do a substantial portion of European nation citizens loathe their country or is this a uniquely American problem?
#675 Re: The Garden » Covid 19 » 277 weeks ago
Scheduled to get my first vaccine Friday. Anyone else get one or schedule theirs?
#676 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
FlashFlood wrote:I claim black people have been oppressed in America. I use slavery and segregation as my basis. What’s your claim? They need to get over it?
Isn't this kind of obvious to most people? I thought it didn't need explanation. I guess I was wrong here.
Except that’s not what he’s saying. No one is arguing against a historic oppression of black people. I’ve repeatedly asked for what examples exist today, and no one has bothered to say anything that is demonstrably true or even on topic. His statement is that the systemic oppression exists today, not that slavery and segregation were coded into American law. Nor am I denying there are consequences in lost opportunity due to that historic injustice. No one is denying any of that.
What I’m asking is for examples of how racism is still systemic in 2021, and what can we do to solve it. Because I believe a lot of the examples people accept are true, don’t hold up to scrutiny. And that matters when you’re talking about reordering society, it’s not something that is just shrugged off as “obvious”.
#677 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
You keep ignoring the centuries of oppression black people have experienced in America. You bring it back to economic opportunities but that scratches the surface. You blindly ask for proof while providing none of your own outside of your personal experience.
I claim black people have been oppressed in America. I use slavery and segregation as my basis. What’s your claim? They need to get over it?
I’m not ignoring it. That’s an absurd claim. I asked you pages ago to define systemic oppression and qualify who should receive some benefit, and to define what that benefit is. You’ve so far avoided providing anything specific and have remained entirely vague.
What connection do Barack Obama and Kamala Harris have to slavery and Jim Crow? What does (random black person) with them? How is a black kid born to a middle class family in Columbus, Ohio in 1995 connected to it? You see color, and don’t want to talk about the larger issue of poverty which is proven to be synonymous with all the social inequalities you can choose.
Ignoring injustices that legally ended 60+ years ago to people now in retirement, what systemic oppression is aimed towards black people in America, and what can we do to resolve it?
#678 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:I don't know how to explain it other than I was being sarcastic and Randall took me serious.
Nah, I knew you were sarcastic. I guess my sarcasm went over everyone’s head. This isn’t the first time you’ve made the argument poor whites aren’t inherently better off than poor blacks. But they won’t touch that with a ten foot pole. Hence my sarcasm of “enacting the labor”.
Sure, I’ll touch it. Poor white people are inherently better off than poor black people. Poor white people are afforded far more opportunity than poor black people. While both are most likely to remain poor, the fact is, white people in power are more likely to hire white people, and there are very few black people in power. It’s not apples to apples. It’s immensely different.
But you didn't touch it. You just made a declarative statement with no examples or criteria to judge on. You see a person of color, and inherently assume their upbringing was worse than yours, mine or any other random person with pink pigment. If you can't explain why and are angry someone is asking you to provide examples you don't have, that's textbook cognitive dissonance. In any other situation your actions would be called racist, as that's the text book definition of prejudicing against someone because of their skin color. But because it's been declared a noble position, all higher thought required of every other position is waived.
Poor white people are afforded far more opportunity than poor black people.
Proof? There are countless programs for poor minorities. It's called affirmative action. Who is more likely to get into Harvard, all things equal on the application, who gets in first? All things equal, who does corporate America hire? Who does the state and federal government hire? Unlike you, I know these things to be true because I've lived them or there is empirical evidence for their statement. I sit on a diversity hire board at work, I know that we're looking to hire "diverse" candidates. (Diverse is code for non-white in case you didn't get the memo). Affirmative action is a thing, and has been for over a generation. So who has more opportunity in 2021 if you're entering adult hood? I'll eagerly await your response with other examples, but you don't get to pretend the reality I just stated isn't part of the overall picture.
white people in power are more likely to hire white people, and there are very few black people in power.
Do you have anything to support this? Uber allows you to hire from black businesses, I don't know of any other ethnicity that is afforded that. Do you have any evidence that poor white people own businesses at a higher rated than blacks? Do you have any evidence they choose through race alone, more people of their own pigment? These are really bold statements that I haven't seen evidenced with any kind of empirical data. My own life experience has shown me that a substantial amount of black Americans are entrepreneurs. Far more relative to my white friends. I won't make a declarative statement without evidence, so I can't state this is true. But since we're just tossing out perceptions, mine if vastly different than yours and I've lived all over the US.
#679 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
I don't know how to explain it other than I was being sarcastic and Randall took me serious.
Nah, I knew you were sarcastic. I guess my sarcasm went over everyone’s head. This isn’t the first time you’ve made the argument poor whites aren’t inherently better off than poor blacks. But they won’t touch that with a ten foot pole. Hence my sarcasm of “enacting the labor”.
#680 Re: The Garden » Current Events Thread » 277 weeks ago
FlashFlood wrote:If you don’t think there is a system of oppression in the USA that keeps black people in a pervasive, disadvantaged state, I don’t know what to tell you. Black Lives Matter isn’t about Marxists, it’s about fundamentally changing the aforementioned point through unity. That means it’s not just black people saying BLM it means white Americans have to share responsibility for where we are, acknowledge our inherent privilege in this country, and advocate for change.
Isn't Marxism a part of their official platform even mentioned on their website?
You should make this argument to the white folks in the Appalachia about their "inherent privilege." They definitely need to be taken down a notch or two.
Hog wash. All my friends and family who were steel workers and coal miners and watched their jobs vanish as EPA regulations and Chinese steel saturated the market are doing just great! Sure, Appalachia has the highest opioid abuse per capita in the nation, and the schools are underfunded and a century old. But they're white, so they have enormous privilege. Not like say Corey Booker whose parents were both IBM executives, that young men had to overcome 5x as much as the poor kid in Wheeling, WV whose dad was laid off by the coal mine 5 years before turning to a bottle and mom climbed up inside an oxy bottle. If you don't understand that inherent privilege, I'm not required to enact the labor to explain why it's there. Honestly I've never been forced to, and get pats on the back parroting the talking points of people society has told me I should emulate. Now excuse me while I go break into a state house and set fire to some police station and federal courthouses while posting online how outraged and confused the people I've harassed at every turn reciprocate my violence.
