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#61 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pale Divine » 333 weeks ago

Oh yeah. In '02-'07, there was a saying in the band, "get the corn".

If you got the corn, it meant the boss yelled at you 16

#62 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pale Divine » 333 weeks ago

Axl went from glam to kilts to jerseys to big hats.

People are free to try different stuff over the years.

#63 Re: Guns N' Roses » Pale Divine » 333 weeks ago

Tommy and Fortus show up @ 1m55s big_smile

#64 Re: Management » Where's James » 335 weeks ago

jimmythegent wrote:

Anyone heard from him?

Not since last summer.

#65 Re: Guns N' Roses » Happy 10th anniversary, Chinese Democracy! » 335 weeks ago

What if he ain't that crazy?

"With our team we were able to negotiate through a mountain of issues to be able to release the album. Within those negotiations, I believed I had secured agreements, commitments and assurances that would have allowed a promotional strategy to be implemented that obviously I've had a fair amount of time to consider." (Axl, MyGNR, 12/12/08)

A promotional strategy which he had been thinking about, for a long while. He was offering it out, he said. 


"We never intended a huge public rollout, especially without resolving certain issues, and no one ever suggested us doing so, though Interscope's communications with Best Buy in these areas may not have been as clear as anyone would have preferred.

Our approach, for better or worse, has always been to work the record over the course of the following tour cycles, with attempts to forge new or better and hopefully redefined relationships with the different forms of media that may be interested along the way." - Billboard, 2009

Axl tours, makes friends with the media, and over time finds a more receptive audience - and only then releases the album?


"Best Buy has been great... Zach [Horowitz, Universal Music Group president/COO], or whoever's behind the international efforts, is doing great. It's more than appreciated and a welcome relief.

Unfortunately [going with Best Buy] didn't change us having to rely on Interscope as much as we'd hoped. The opinions expressed or "jumped" on publicly regarding promotion seem to be [about] my or our involvement with mainstream media -- talk shows, rock magazines and dot-coms -- which have generally held negative public stances toward myself or the band for years, [and they] unfortunately have not been resolved. Efforts are being made to understand the relationships and evaluate how best to proceed."

Now, the media is mean on Axl again and he stays home thinking why?


"In regard to our promotion, it was based around certain agreements with Universal, Interscope, our management and legal [teams] that unfortunately never happened. I won't get into specifics but am beginning to address some of those issues in my own way as opposed to "working together," and we'll see how that plays out."

It comes out a few paragraphs later.

Without [Interscope Geffen A&M chairman] Jimmy Iovine's involvement, it doesn't matter who anyone talks to or what they say -- virtually nothing will happen from their end... And, unfortunately, for all their nice words and assurances, nothing that's happened since the week or so before the release has shown us much of anything to the contrary.

So at least in regard to the U.S., for the most part I don't look at it like we have a record company -- I look at it for the most part like we have friendly but otherwise cutthroat loan sharks.

Geffen didn't promote things his way, to curb that negative public image.

Did Axl refuse taking PR duties into his own hands because he was afraid of a negative portrayal?

#66 Re: Guns N' Roses » new gnr song debuted » 335 weeks ago

Yeah, it's one of those things.

I dug that lumberjack style he had going for him in those 2009 shows. The bandanas came back at that point, too. Always took it as a conscious attempt to visually reference the UYI days.

In 2010, he buried himself underneath stetsons, jackets and glasses. That may be the same story as with the 2002 jerseys. People have made fun about his weight ever since RIR3 and it looks like a sore spot. But it's a curate's egg, Axl. Public perfoming, and all that. Skip the tacos and pump some iron. That'll show us.

#67 Re: Guns N' Roses » new gnr song debuted » 335 weeks ago

Looney Tunes indeed - CD2 starts now.

Think he mentions going back to kilts and jerseys?

At least he's in on the joke, all the way to the bank.

#68 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will new music be released in 2019? » 336 weeks ago

Watch out for the cracking new single, Crash Diet, straight off the Disillusioned Box-Set.

If the AFD box does good business, people around the band will be asking for another product.

I could see a CD re-release with the elusive disc #2, with 1-2 songs by the current band. Maybe.

But not a wholly original album. Which would be precisely what they'll do 16

#69 Re: Guns N' Roses » Happy 10th anniversary, Chinese Democracy! » 337 weeks ago

Sky Dog wrote:

Actually the 30th anniversary of AFD came and went....the boxset and fanfare came a year later. 16

Apex, Axl also said in those chats that names of songs and songs themselves can be considered "works in progress". It isn't done until it is mastered and sent out to the world for public consumption. 17

Axl is still a crazy motherfucker as evidenced by that Looney Tunes video...wtf!!!! Anything is possible, or not possible, with all that material and artwork. hmm

Yeah, anniversaries mean little to someone with as nebulous sense of time. They toured the AFD 20th in 2007 without ever mentioning the fact.

Money means equally little, as he's used to it coming and going. Remember that flat in Manhattan he rented for about six months to a year, while sleeping in hotels? Axl likes money as much as the next person, just that money is not an object to him that much. He likes to buy things, for himself and people around him, and he makes sure employees are paid. But money only dictates his moves if it's absolutely vital for the survival of himself or the band.

And no art of his is obviously set in stone until it's tagged and bagged. Things come down the wire in a flux. Stardust may get renamed Street of Dreams or The Blues, depending on the weather. The guitar solo may need Ron on the first part, and transition into Bucket. The feeling's better that way. Ax really likes his options when making music. A song can go this way or that.

CD may yet prove that even official releases can be transitory. Red Hand CD would be rad in sheer audacity - just like OMG was just a demo, the BestBuy album was the most expensive trial run / teaser in the history of music. Imagine that 14

#70 Re: Guns N' Roses » Happy 10th anniversary, Chinese Democracy! » 337 weeks ago

There's an audio clip Billboard reviewed; it's allegedly from June 2014 and includes Axl Rose from behind his grand piano telling a story to a group of friends.

That would've been at the tail-end of the second Vegas residency, the twilight of the Asbha band.

"Listen, listen, you gotta' understand," he says. "When you see the real artwork from my album, not what you see (inaudible), there's a reason I didn't promote it, because the real artwork is what I will promote."

The bike art had gone wrong, despite showcased by Axl on stage during the Oriental 2002 shows. The Red Hand cover was prototyped but apparently, it never went to pressing. BestBuy had placeholders for the other two covers, so it's likely people simply cut costs.

I mean, you have a hail-mary deal getting everyone out of debt and liability, and the suffering genius is still going on about his shtick? Azoff and Uni likely rolled their eyes behind his back, as he would've been on a whole different plane.

dexter wrote:

It's been an ugly battle that hasn't made any sense to anyone and whether anyone cares about such things, the booklet or artwork has always been something I've been passionate about. To release the album with unapproved and unseen final artwork with a 1st work only error-filled draft  (when others more recent were readily available) still has not been explained, but is finally getting cleared up. My fave is the How Are You Grenade cover... and the Sorry automatic rifle artwork on shirts etc.

They were redeeming his adventure with a BestBuy coupon. One disc, one artwork, and the lock, stock and barrel sent over to warehouses, never to be sold again. I wager that was their reality and he gnawed the hand that feeds to the bone.

The way he chooses his words, willingly promoting the real art work, suggests he'd like to see it used in either a CD re-release or as the cover for CD2. This was Stay of Execution time, so the Red Hand mayhap been poised to reappear.

Axl then begins to play a medley of Elton John. The grand piano from the recording is described to have custom artwork on the lid that most uninitiated fans have never seen.

The Red Hand or the HAY hand grenade? Good for Evil Label stories by the piano, as his court can lean in and "see the real artwork". wink

Gotta admit, it's amusing to think Ax might re-release the album, with new (old) players, new (old) songs and the new (old) cover art.

I hope he does, actually.

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