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#721 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 442 weeks ago
mitchejw wrote:buzzsaw wrote:You just proved the pro gun argument. Just like in the shooter side of it, it's the person not the gun that is responsible.
Yes you’re right buzz and everyone should have the right to own a gun....felons, mentally deranged, children, teachers....
I think infants should be given a gun within 72 hours.
You keep talking to a guy that doesn't and never has owned a gun like he's a gun nut. I'm not. I'm a constitution nut. I believe in it. All of it. Even the things I wish weren't in it because that's what we as a society have decided is how we want to live. If you think society has changed enough, change the constitution. If society hasn't changed that much, then tough shit.
You only have this right in your constitution because the constitution was deemed flawed enough at the time for it to be amended. I don't see any reason why the second amendment isn't reviewed and possibly revised based on the problems the US is having with gun related deaths. I can't understand how someone can see kids being shot to pieces multiple times (Sandy Hook really should have bene the last straw) and not think this actually needs to be looked at. Why the constitution is considered sacred always confused me - you guys have amended it 20+ times!
Also those calling out the rise of knife crimes and acid attacks in the UK. You're right, it is a problem and it is noticed and discussed here (the reason it's illegal to carry a knife in public, is because we've actually tried to address this problem in the past)... but it doesn't change anything about the problems the US has with guns.
#722 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 442 weeks ago
BTW, another mass knife attack in England. There have been more murders in London than New York. How bout 'dem gun bans!
It's increased gang violence most likely due to a decade of cuts to police funding. If you wanna "how bout" some shit, look up when the last time a school in the UK was shot up by some psycho.
#723 Re: Management » Site upgrade and ignore feature » 446 weeks ago
It sounds like you're both in the wrong to be honest...
Could you guys both just admit fault, say sorry to each other and also not get so heated in that politics thread. We all need to stop insulting each other, saying each other is stupid etc.
#724 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 446 weeks ago
Randall Flagg wrote:bigbri wrote:Their disagreements have been months in the making, but NK seems to be most likely.
Still, I find this poisoning in the UK stunning. A Soviet-developed nerve agent was used in a public space, sending 21 to the hospital and exposing dozens of others.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/cr … 46566.html
"Britain gave President Vladimir Putin until midnight on Tuesday to explain how a nerve agent developed by the Soviet Union was used to strike down a former Russian double agent who passed secrets to British intelligence."
What can they do? Roughly 20% of their oil and 30% of the UK’s coal comes from Russia.
Sanctions are great, but the EU collectively don’t do anything. The Iran deal was never a real threat because the EU is dependent on them for energy. Same with Russia.
I agree, this behavior is unacceptable. But what is a realistic solution?
I think I'm more in awe of how brazen this was, even for Russia. I don't know what the UK could do on their own. But it seems like Russia is still all-in on this Cold War stuff and we have Trump giving Putin BJs.
Our options:
1. Some economic sanctions (yawn)
2. Seize assets in UK belonging to Russian oligarchs. A high profile and highly public one would be Chelsea Football Club, owned by long time Putin friend Roman Abrahmovic (fun)
3. Take RT off the air
4. Deport all Russian diplomats (dangerous move, would be severing a lot of communication with Russia)
5. Deport any Russian citizens currently domiciled in the UK (kind of unfair and not sure what it would accomplish
6. Boycott the World Cup (being held in Russia) in the Summer
6.2. Organise a boycott that includes Germany & France. If we could get Portugal the tournament will be dead as it would not feature Cristiano Ronaldo and FIFA could be tempted to move it.
7. We publicly send troops in to Ukraine to fight the separatists who totally 100% aren't Russian even though they speak Russian, wear Russian military uniform and use Russian equipment. (the ballsiest and least likely move)
These are some of the things we could do. I dont have much faith in our government though so i expect very little.
#725 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 462 weeks ago
I haven't been on in ages. Has something leaked, can anyone bring me up to speed?
#726 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 472 weeks ago
I told ya that was gonna happen. Jefferson isn't where this shit ends either.
I don't think dems understand the electorate either. Identity politics will not win. A Democratic strategist actually said they don't need the white male vote. YOU FUCKING IDIOT, YOU CANNOT WIN THE HOUSE OR SENATE WITHOUT US.
Yep....they didn't learn not one goddamn thing from the election and are going to hand Trump a second term on a silver platter.
When you don't learn anything from THAT election, you've got problems. MAJOR problems....
And this is where this statue shit gets stupid IMO.
I actually agree with promoting the removal of confederate generals, etc. from your town squares. Why memorialise traitors who formed a break away nation state and declared war on the one you now live in, decades after the fact? Just doesn't make sense. Would seem to me it makes sense to move these statues to a place where they can be presented in the right context - a museum, or a public place exhibition (enhance the areas surrounding these with information signs etc. that give it historical context.
But wanting statues of US presidents removed.... the guy had his flaws but he also wrote the Bill of Rights, he kind of warrants a statue.
#727 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 479 weeks ago
At least the Mooch is providing A+ entertainment. That New Yorker piece 
#728 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses planning new album - 'It's too good not to happen!' » 479 weeks ago
It feels sad with this band, that I'm checking in to the forums every now and then to catch up on anything, and each time I feel the hope of leaks is more realistic than any official news about new music.
Ach well, finally saw them live and it was great, just wish there was some activity. Axl's silence is par for the course but when this reunion all started I kind of assumed that Slash and Duff might be a bit more active... instead nada.
#729 Re: Guns N' Roses » European Tour 2017 Thread » 484 weeks ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPUcmVB4Bac&t=542s
Pretty cool seeing a day show in HQ.
Was at the show, near the front. Holy shit, this tour is amazing. Goosebumps the whole way through.
#730 Re: The Garden » Terrorist Attack at Ariana Grande concert » 487 weeks ago
Not sure how tougher immigration laws would have helped in this incident. The guy who did this was born in the UK and was a normal, shy teenager until a few years. Then he was radicalised and we are where we are today.
The left in the West does need to get comfortable actually offering solutions to tackle radical Islam. Although we'd be best targetting it's core (Wihabism) rather than dreamed up solutions involving bombs and rounding people up. Historically, going door to door and rounding people up has never really panned out well.
Thought your president was actually good in the aftermath of this. Refusing to call the guy a monster (instead saying he's a loser) and saying that the leaders of the Islamic world actually have to be the ones to sort this out.
Always remember guys, don't give in to fear. Live your life as you would and don't let this shit make your turn against your fellow citizens. If you don't the terrorists actually do win.
