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#731 Re: The Garden » Chris Cornell dead » 489 weeks ago

I'm feeling shellshocked by this. Thoughts with his family. This is awful.

#732 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy in 1988 » 496 weeks ago

That's not the Chinese Democracy riff, it's Slash strumming a few chords. Really reaching here guys. Atari had this nailed on page 1...

#733 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 504 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

How about this. Why should we admit these people to our country?

Because it's humane. Either you have empathy for other human beings fleeing a hopeless situation or you don't I guess. To quote that statue of yours:

Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

But then again, the presence of halal meat is probably too high a price to pay for the safety of a family fleeing persecution by a savage dictator.

If you don't actually care about your country or anyone but yourself though, I can understand why you don't want them. You'd just have to admit that.

#734 Re: Guns N' Roses » European Tour 2017 Thread » 512 weeks ago

Do any of you guys know if Golden Circle tickets will be on general sale? Looking at Slane Castle FYI.

#735 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 512 weeks ago

Can we rename the threat US Politics instead of 2016 Election Thread since we're now post election?

#736 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago

Sources close to Linda McMahon and President-elect Drumpf's transition team confirm the former Senate candidate is one name under consideration to become Secretary of Commerce in the new Drumpf administration.
There has been much speculation over who Drumpf will chose for his administration since the election.
Drumpf announced his transition team on Friday. That team will not necessarily carry over into the Drumpf administration — though members of past transition teams often have. Instead, they are in charge of putting together hiring recommendations, working with outgoing appointees and laying the groundwork for administration's opening months.
McMahon, a former World Wrestling Entertainment executive and two-time U.S. Senate candidate has been involved in campaigns across the country, including the presidential election. She hosted an event for New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who was her top choice in the Republican primary, then threw her support behind Drumpf, a longtime friend.
Besides attending the Republican National Convention, she's been a frequent guest at fundraisers for federal candidates, rubbing elbows with top GOP leaders like House Speaker Paul Ryan. This election she was considered a Republican mega donor.
McMahon served on the Connecticut Board of Education starting in 2009 for just over a year before resigning when a new legal opinion by state elections officials restricted political activities by board members.
McMahon ran for a U.S. Senate seat in the 2010 general election and lost to Democrat Richard Blumenthal. McMahon spent $50 million of her own money, more than any other candidate in that election, and secured 44 percent of the vote, while Blumenthal spent $8.7 million, $2.5 million of which was his own money, and secured 54 percent of the vote.
She was the 2012 Republican nominee for Connecticut’s other senate seat to replace retiring Sen. Joe Lieberman but lost again, this time to Democratic Representative Chris Murphy.
McMahon lives in Greenwich with her husband, WWE executive Vince McMahon.

http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/loca … 08686.html


We're going to defeat the establishment, and then I will give jobs to my wealthy friends

#737 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 515 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

I'm jumping off the tranny merry go round. We're running in circles obviously and no one is interested in seeing it....especially in a thread discussing the presidential transition and the coming inauguration.

Followed by another megapost. If you want to just park this that's  fine, all you gotta say is "agree to disagree", not cap off your last words on the subject with BS.


A simple statement regarding tranny bathrooms in a post about the overall culture shift approaching was not meant to send up a tranny batman signal that is in need of posting dissertations on the subject. Besides, there's no point in debating someone on the issue who thinks forcing little boys to wear dresses to school is sunshine and lollipops and is a step in the right direction. Its basically advocating the bottom to completely drop into an abyss. 99.9% of society disagrees (including me obviously) with that and if you don't agree(obviously you don't), just stay tuned to how things play out.

- I didn't start the long posts. I started out with short questions directed at you & Flagg
- Quote me on where I said kids should be forced to wear clothes they don't want to.
- Fuck off with the condescending "stay tuned" bullshit

Its a subject you are extremely passionate about and your efforts to mainstream it and talk people into accepting it would be better spent somewhere that is not an off topic section of a Guns N' Roses community.

I did get a minor chuckle out of you saying straight people have a "fucking sense of entitlement".

I have a good amount of LGBT friends, that's why I care about this stuff. I don't tell them to cool it with the "butch" stuff because I'm not an asshole.

I will comment on a couple of your other points made....

I never told her to stay in the closet. She's a very intelligent young woman who had much to offer. Was interested in film at a very young age and when taking her to movies, she'd like to discuss things like the cinematography, editing, etc. When she went off to college she had plans to go in this direction. Instead, she went for gender studies which is one of the most worthless degrees you can possibly get and she allowed her homosexuality to basically dominate her entire being....then add in all the SJW stuff as the cherry on top. She allowed it to consume her life and she's selling herself(and her future) short. Obviously you don't know her personally but I don't see how it can be a good thing for someone with such potential to not be able to look past her own gayness. Personally I think there's a huge element of self loathing involved under the surface and it manifests itself in this incessant need to talk about this stuff 24/7. Having said that, I am not a psychiatrist obviously.

We'll park this cause it's your family and ultimately you know 'em best. Will take your word for it that you never said that, or didn't mean to say that if you did. But, if you genuinely think there's a  huge element of self-loathing where do you think that shit starts. It starts when people are told that "God hates fags", "your sexuality is just a fetish", "your kind shouldn't be in mainstream media" etc. If you're told nonstop by society you're not ok for decades, you're not going to be ok.

Someone's sexuality cannot be equated with a fetish.

I disagree strongly and so would most of the women I've been with. 15 Fetishes(of any variety) play a huge role in someones sexuality.  A boy/guy wearing dresses can also be considered a fetish and we're well aware of how you feel about that yet will minimize a straight guy's fetish.

When it comes to sexuality, whether someone is straight, gay or bi, I don't think that counts as a fetish. That's just a determining of what genders they are attracted to, it's like the initial baseline of everyone's sexual preference.

When it comes to men wearing women's clothing and women dressing more manly, and identifying themselves as male or female. It's not about sex. It's about identity. They identify as the gender of the sex opposite to what they are born as. Reason being is society does pigeon hole how you should behave and act depending on what's between your legs.

But here's the thing perhaps if there area  sizeable set of people with foot fetishes it should appear in pop culture without being a joke in an appropriate setting

I disagree and this is coming from someone who would benefit from it going mainstream. Something in the minority(and there are more people with foot fetishes than trannies and/or crossdressers) does not need to be pushed as if it caters to the majority. Under no circumstances would I think that a majority of Americans should be bombarded with this stuff. I don't have a sense of entitlement wink and/or think my own interest is the norm. To push it as such would be bat shit crazy.

Didn't say it should go "mainstream", just that the the representation should be balanced. A character liking feet should be a thing in some show or film at some point without it being a joke. Same with gays, bis, lesbians and trans people.

Anyway, you are right, this is probably not the thread to continue this in. If you wanna reply, open a new thread. Otherwise we can just agree to disagree.

#738 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 516 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Can anyone give me some of the basic bullet points on single payer healthcare systems?

I'm going to research it over the weekend but I'd like a skeleton outline if you would be so kind.

They are founded on the general principle that medical assistance of all forms (consultations, medical presciption (although not always the actual prescriptions themseves) and surgery) are all free at the point of need. How you shape them is up to you and each is different, with pros and cons.

Generally I view it as a moral and humane issue, and always hope that people can look at it from that perspective. If a 35 year old mum has cancer, through no fault of her own, she should be helped without having to incur horrible amounts of overpriced debt. I can't see how that can be argued against - and if you agree with that scenario but not the overall proposal (e.g. I can understand why some people would not want to pay for all kinds of treatments) - then surely a middle ground can be reached, where treatments for clearly life threatening ailments are free no matter what, for everyone. If you argue that the ambiguity of that could be exploited, that is not a reason to shut it down, it's reason to explore how it can be tightened up. /soapbox over. I'll go worry about the NHS in my country is being dismantled now.

#739 Re: The Garden » 270 to win -2020 Edition » 516 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

Well for starters Hillary is not running in 2020, so there's that.

The site doesn't seem to let me change the candidate names. Wasn't trying to predict candidates either, just assume Dem V Repub. I wouldn't call it sour grapes and I support neither party, I can't vote. Just meant to be a bit of fun, throw a prediction out and see how wrong (or right) you are in four years.

#740 The Garden » 270 to win -2020 Edition » 516 weeks ago

Axl S
Replies: 4

Separate from the other election thread, let's have some slightly more lighthearted fun and do some guesses for 2020. Then in four years time if this forum is still here, we can compare how wrong we'll probably all be.

Below is mine:

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