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#781 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 760 weeks ago
Mikkamakka:
I REALLY think they should play. Really. And I think Axl should be there.I just think they shouldn't do it with anyone related to their current projects.
So, instead of Myles, any high profile vocalist would be great and it would be an altogether different, and in my point of view, therefore valid, experience.
I'm alright with that. You might have read that I wrote I wouldn't have chosen Myles, for the same 'political' reasons. But.
First, they had 3 days to get somebody. Somebody who'll be good enough not to ruin it.
Second, Myles can sing, one of the best rock singers of today. You or somebody else may not like him, but some hated Axl even is his heyday. (Just to clear it for everybody: I think Axl was much, much better back then than Myles is today.)
Third, Myles sings GN'R quite fine. Well, Mr. Brownstone is not for him, but they dropped it from the slash set probably a year ago, they didn't even play It's So Easy (btw Duff could handle that), so nothing to fear. He delivers SCOM, PC, Nightran, Patience and Civil War fine (except the lyrics sometimes 
)
Myles was the OBVIOUS and MOST PROFESSIONAL choice. I would have been happier if it's just Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven and Matt, and Duff N' Izzy would have shared the vocals. Well, as it seems, they had to call Myles, cause Izzy will not be there, or it'll be in the air till the last second. And they wanted to play, cause they are musicians, who are proud of their work, their past achievements and want to honour the fans. They want to honour those fans, who bought tickets to the event. Remember, a few years ago Slash didn't play at Steven's show with Izzy and Duff. I think he saved that for a more special occasion.
This is here. Now. Whether with Izzy, or without him, the time is now. It's a celebration of the classic Guns N' Roses that inspired a lot of musicians and made the soundtrack of the life for many of us. Like Duff said
'We are not a band anymore, and haven't been for some time. We are all still alive and well, but there has been some muddy water that has gone underneath the bridge. But water, muddy or otherwise, does indeed flow past and forever away, and I have nothing but the best of memories and highest level of love and admiration and feelings of brotherhood with all of those dudes. Seriously.
The one reason that I am going to Cleveland this weekend is not to savor in some polite accolade or because an award show is that important to me. I am going because I have realized how important this is all to those many, many fans that supported us and believed in us, and showed up for us in droves.
Music is not like sports, and hence, a Hall of Fame in music is almost a false pedestal to sit upon. There are no statistics in music and art. No band or artist is "better" than another. Music comes from a primal place. Thin air. Dreams. And a lot of really hard damn work.
(...)
I have forgiven and forgotten. I have grown up and manned up. Part of me growing has been to realize I am powerless over others.
This whole deal, I hope, goes off without a hitch. I do hope we can achieve some grace in our acceptance. And I hope this grace, is enough, in the end, for the best rock and roll fans in the world. The Guns N' (f---ing) Roses fans.'
and what he said yesterday
"In the end, it's not about who does or doesn't show up from the original band, and I back whatever reason this guy or that has for not coming. It's all good. The songs are the important bit here . . . and the message they most certainly still must carry."
#782 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 760 weeks ago
russtcb wrote:Mikkamakka wrote:I'm sorry, but your opinion, if it's really an opinion and not an attempt, is an insult itself against the Guns N' Roses legacy. You are so touchy when it comes to Robin or the Replacements of replacements, but now you are so vocal that you aren't interested in the one-off 15-minute show from a line-up that's the closest we can get to Guns N' Roses since 1993. You use the term 'fans', just like Jarmo to insult people who dare to criticize Axl's nostalgia band, and now you are as uninterested as he is in this partly reunion. Well, now I ask you to give back your Guns N' Roses fan card and replace it with an 'Axl Rose' and 'Robin Finck' pass. Anyone who shits on this partly reunion can do the same.
Apparently you've only read or chosen to read some of my posts leading up til now.
I loved what all of those people brought to Guns N' Roses when they were in Guns N' Roses. They're not now and that's fine with me too because they've been replaced by people who (IMO) are as good as better than them at what they do.
Two drummers I don't like as much as Frank. Why would that excite me? Gilby being there along with Izzy. Why would that excite me? Possibly the worst person to ever sing GN'R tunes singing them with former member at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Why would that excite me.
As I said, I understand you guys are excited about it, but I'm not. And once more; there's no need to throw out attempts at insults to make your point.
That's exactly why i'm leaving the board untill those that are butthurt by Axl not showing to the HoF ceremony stop their revenge against the ones who doesn't see it as badly.
Really, Guns N' Roses today and so on to the future is what Axl wants it to be. Accept it or leave it. I mean, it's been this way for the past 18 years? If you don't accept it don't direct your anger to those who do (or embrace or enjoy or not).
I'm not butthurt at all, just because Axl is not showing up. He is what he is, and I know it.
In this case the Axl fans are butthurt, cause he's not going, but the others DARE to play without him. I can accept that some here don't like Myles, but acting like he'd be the worst singer ever is a lie, or Axlist Fundamentalism, or whatever Intercourse calls it. Saying that the guys who replaced Slash N' Co are as good or better falls into the same cathegory. Ridiculous.
I feel honoured as a fan that most members of my all time favourite band attends the ceremony and play. Does the HoF means much to me? Not really. But it's still one of the greatest lifetime awards in rock and roll, only the Grammy means more. As I see it, it means a lot to these guys and I'm proud of them that they don't show their back to their past, but acknowledge it and do a show for the fans. I would have been happier if the original five shows up, and doesn't even play a song, just say thank you to each other and the fans. Unfortunately, that won't happen. I won't lose sleep over it.
But I am very happy that some of my (music) idols take their precious time, get together, rehearse and give something to each other and the fans. It's really telling. I feel ashamed that at the same time some people here are attacking them for it, or simply say a 'no, thanks, that's not interesting'. I'm very thankful.
#783 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 760 weeks ago
No, we haven't seen these guys playing together. Never.
#784 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 760 weeks ago
Mikkamakka wrote:russtcb wrote:This.
And I'm sorry if this seems rude to all of you but I cannot imagine being excited about watching Matt, Steven, Duff, Slash, Gilby, etc play songs together tonight. It's just not exciting to me at all.
I'm sorry, but
LOL
It's not against you, Russ, but you are getting overexcited every time Axl N' Whoever Else are playing. Rumours say that even Izzy could be there, so.. it'll be technically Guns N' Roses without Axl Rose. So no need to rain our parade, just because The Holy One is playing GTA at home.
"Rain on your parade"? Hardly. Saying a bunch of people who used to be in Guns N' Roses playing together with an awful singer doesn't excite me isn't an attempt at raining on your parade, it's being honest.
Posts like this one from you are exactly what keeps me from posting more. You cannot imagine someone having a different opinion from you so you instantly have to attempt insults instead of trying to understand where someone else is coming from.
I'm sorry, but your opinion, if it's really an opinion and not an attempt, is an insult itself against the Guns N' Roses legacy. You are so touchy when it comes to Robin or the Replacements of replacements, but now you are so vocal that you aren't interested in the one-off 15-minute show from a line-up that's the closest we can get to Guns N' Roses since 1993. You use the term 'fans', just like Jarmo to insult people who dare to criticize Axl's nostalgia band, and now you are as uninterested as he is in this partly reunion. Well, now I ask you to give back your Guns N' Roses fan card and replace it with an 'Axl Rose' and 'Robin Finck' pass. Anyone who shits on this partly reunion can do the same.
#785 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 760 weeks ago
Any PRO-SHOT video is welcome. Mobil phone recordings ain't mean shit. Pro-shot or nothing to prove your point. Be it any side.
#786 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 760 weeks ago
misterID wrote:The HALL didn't induct Dave Mustaine with Metallica, or the original bass player.
From what I always assumed, they inducted founding members, important past members and the current band, like they did with Fleetwood Mac... But they do this when they want... And they select who they deem important.
This.
And I'm sorry if this seems rude to all of you but I cannot imagine being excited about watching Matt, Steven, Duff, Slash, Gilby, etc play songs together tonight. It's just not exciting to me at all.
I'm sorry, but
LOL
It's not against you, Russ, but you are getting overexcited every time Axl N' Whoever Else are playing. Rumours say that even Izzy could be there, so.. it'll be technically Guns N' Roses without Axl Rose. So no need to rain our parade, just because The Holy One is playing GTA at home. 
#787 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 760 weeks ago
They. Will. Fuckin'. Play!!!!!!!!
Perla has just posted a picture @ Facebook
#788 Re: Guns N' Roses » RRHoF Discussion (Izzy/Slash/Axl Press Statements) » 760 weeks ago
I won't begrudge them for playing with Myles. It's their night. The Gilby thing makes it even more lame, but again, it's their history, their night, they should celebrate however they want.
I never got why people hated the HOF until now. It's a big double standard that they're deciding to induct the new (current) guitarist for RHCP the same night they're telling Axl no to Tommy, etc.
Good points. Maybe this is happened this way for technical reasons: Metallica and RHCP didn't have too many members, even less alive, while GN'R would have looked like a gypsy caravan with Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt, Dizzy, Gilby, Paul Tobias, Josh Freese, Brain, Buckethead, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson, Frank Ferrer, Richard Fortus, Bumblefoot, DJ Ashba, Chris Pitman (sorry if I left out anyone), and to be correct, even Tracii Guns, Rob Gardner and Teddy ZigZag could have been in, if all the other guys without any writing credit, and Dave Navarro and Gary Sunshie played on OMG, so they could have also get their card...
Had GN'R have less member changes, the current guys would have been there, for sure. It's not against Axl, just the Hall isn't big enough to have all the past and present GN'R members there. 
#789 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » GnR = The Beatles? » 760 weeks ago
Well, it's more interesting than the RRHOF circus, so I continue ...:haha:
Paul McCartney is more like Axl is the sense that he wanted his father-in-law to manage the band after Brian Epstein died. The others wanted Allen Klein.
Lennon and McCartney talked and occasionly played together after the Beatles. All the members played with each other, but the four of them never did it together.
John had anger issues. Some sources say he beat up even his ex, Cynthia.
GN'R and Beatles also share some sad past: early bass players, Ole Beich and Stu Sutcliffe both died young.
...John Lennon spoke about his relationship with Paul in one of his last interviews. He said:
"I used my resentment against Paul, that I have as a kind of sibling rivalry resentment from youth, to write a song. It was a creative rivalry… It was not a vicious vendetta… but I felt resentment, so I used that situation the same as I used withdrawing from heroin to write Cold Turkey; I used my resentment and withdrawing from Paul and the Beatles to write How Do You Sleep?"
and what Paul had to say about it:
"The answer to John was well - I was sleeping very well at the time. Before John died I got back a good relationship with him. That was very special. The arguments we had didn't matter. We were able to just take the piss about all those songs; they weren't that harsh. In fact, I have been thanked by Yoko and everyone else for saving the Beatles from Allen Klein. Everything comes round in the end."
I wish that Axl and Slash (and Izzy) would get to this point. Duff is there, for sure.
#790 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » GnR = The Beatles? » 760 weeks ago
Good analogy... I'd also point out that Lennon had a five-year gap in his career, when he didn't do anything creative, just sat at home. Lennon and MyCartney had a well-documented feud, and John wrote some nasty songs against Paul. I'd quote 'How do you sleep?'
so sgt. pepper took you by
surprise
you better see right through that
mother's eyes
those freaks was right when they
said you was you was dead
the one mistake you made was
in your head
how do you sleep?
ah how do you sleep at night?
you live with straights who tell
you you was king
jum when your mamma tell
you anything
the only thing you done was
yesterday
and since you've gone it's just
another day
how do you sleep?
ah how do you sleep at night?
a pretty face may last a year
or two
but pretty soon they'll see
what you can do
the sound you make is muzak
to my ears
you must have learned
something all those years
how do you sleep?
ah how do you sleep at night?
Could be something off CD or the first Snakepit record 
(Sidenotes: Paul didn't trust in Sgt. Peppers' success; there was a rumour after the Abbey Road album that Paul was dead, and it's another guy on the over; Paul's biggest hit with The Beatles was Yesterday; Another Day is a song by Paul's post-Beatles band, The Wings; Paul had a very strong connection to his mother)
More sidenotes:
Steven is more of the Pete Best of the band, as he wasn't there in the height of their popularity. In this case, Matt is Ringo, who spent more times in the spotlight.
Yoko One - could be Beta, but Paul Tobias would give her a run for it. Lennon had Yoko Ono as a writing partner, and they released numerous albums together, 1 or 2 in the late Beatles years. And just like Yoko, Paul was there with the band during the late years, like an outsider band member or so. Although Lennon didn't get Yoko Ono to sing verses next to McCartney's. 
And as it seems, just like in The Beatles' case, one of them will die before the reunion. 
