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#861 Re: The Garden » What have you bought yourself today? » 927 weeks ago

I bought a coffee!

On Saturday I bought a great pair of boots.  They're entirely waterproof and comfortable.  Great for walking in the winter.  And, they don't slip on ice.  Pretty sweet.

Saikin, I'm hopefully getting that book for Christmas.  That one, the Slash one, and a Rick Mercer one.

#862 Re: The Sunset Strip » Journey Discussion (Film about newest singer coming) » 927 weeks ago

I wasn't talking about on the PA system.  He did a little improv thing with the guys on SportsCentre.  But like you said, it was without a monitor or anything, and he may have been exhausted from cheering and everything, so who knows.  He just sounded really bad at the time is all.  I'm sure with proper training and vocal exercise he could get back into game shape.  A Journey reunion would be worth me making a special trip.

#863 Re: The Garden » Man finds condom in his burger from Burger King » 927 weeks ago

Did the guy order extra pickles and secret sauce?

#864 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Voted Classic Rock Magazine Album Of The Year 2007! » 927 weeks ago

DoubleTalkingJive wrote:

It may be rediculous but it's going to generate interest and it shows that a reputable mag has enough of a love for the leaked songs to make this "album" album of the year.   It's crazy and I am sure Axl is laughing at this but it keep CD in the media.

I see that as a problem... the longer the leaks are in the media, the longer Axl and co. can go with out releasing the album.  As long as people are promoting the material, the longer they can tour on old classics and a few new "unofficially" released songs.  They'll never release the album as long as these things happen.

#865 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Voted Classic Rock Magazine Album Of The Year 2007! » 927 weeks ago

Ridiculous... for one, half the leaks happened in '06... I used to like Classic Rock magazine, but this is just stupidity.  Why not pick a real album?

#866 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Libertad Sales Will Go Up » 927 weeks ago

Of course sales will go up... When have sales gone down?  No one's returning the album.

#867 Re: The Garden » Gunman kills 8 and himself in Omaha Mall » 927 weeks ago

No.  Oh wait... http://www.gnrevolution.com/viewtopic.php?id=862

sad and terrible.  18 year old unstable kids shouldn't have access to guns anyway.

#868 Re: The Sunset Strip » Journey Discussion (Film about newest singer coming) » 927 weeks ago

After seeing/hearing Steve Perry on TV when the White Sox won the world series, I'm happy he's not in Journey anymore.  Unless he gets some singing lessons, they'll never take him back.  This band was amazing when he was in front, and he was one of AOR's premier voices.  Doesn't sound like he's been practicing over the years though.

#869 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Libertad Sales Will Go Up » 927 weeks ago

The fuck... who makes the call on what these guys release?  Axl?  Gravedancer would've been the best choice.  Get Out the Door is a decent tune, but it's way too repetitive.

#870 Re: The Garden » The Right to Bear Arms » 927 weeks ago

Well, I'm not sure if you entirely got the gist of what I posted, so I'll respond in bits and pieces...

Randall Flagg wrote:

First off, there aren't alot of crazies out there and shootings like this are anything but common (that's why the media gobbles it up).

That's true, but don't you think this happening once is too much?  I can recall 3 separate incidents that happened within the past year without looking up any facts about them.  But the bottom line is that they were all senseless crimes against random people, when in the end the perpetrator took his own life.

The 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting or target shooting.  It's not even directly about self-protection.  The 2nd Amendment is the only amendment that truly empowes society.  It serves as the defacto clause should America's government become corrupt with tyranny. 

Let's say that Bush really was a fascist bent on power (which is obviously false for so many reasons, but...) who had no intention of stepping down as President.  What could you as an American citizen do?  The military and police all serve as the enforcement for our government, so you can't say that they'd automatically protect you.  The answer without private firearms is you could do absolutely nothing but bitch, and if you did that you'd be removed.

Because the US is a fully functioning capitalist democracy with a history of leaders who are staunch supporters of democratic principles and freedom, I have no reason to assume such an event would occur.  Of course, if it did, assassination of the leader by way of gun violence would probably lead to further turmoil and anarchy.  If you kill the leader, who's left to lead? 

There is this OpEd floating around on the internet about 10 steps to fascism; as if there is a defined format or structure.  It list all these vague tasks that must be undertook (or may have already happend if you like conspiracies) in order to install a fascist regime.  It however doesn't mention the predecessor that all fascist regimes have enacted first - the confiscation and outlawing of all privately owned firearms.

Of course, that certainly isn't the answer.  There are always criminals who will not turn over their weapons, first of all, which could lead to further crime and senseless acts committed by these people.  Second, we have gun collectors and hunters who have every right to hold a gun (well, maybe not Cheney).

A gun is a tool just like a hammer or pencil.  Guns cause violence like spoons make Rosie O'Donnel fat.

Couldn't agree with you more there.  My point isn't that guns lead to murder.  It's that the perception of carrying a gun in a public place is perfectly fine.  Of course, it's still valid that guns take the personal aspect out of murder to an extent.  Would Rosie be as fat if there were no spoons?  Maybe... she wouldn't be able to eat ice cream, pudding, and cocoa puffs.

Rather than enact feel good legislation, let's hold people accountable for their actions.  The true danger to our society isn't guns, but moral relativst that refuse to make judgements which allow people to become thugs and criminals (read people who see no problem with single mother families).  It's foolish and naieve to think that outlawing guns would make them go away.  If we used the same logic that is advocated by gun grabbers, the war on drugs should be a total success correct?  However the exact opposite is true and narcotics are stronger and more plentiful than prior to the war on drugs.

Again, outlawing guns is not the answer.  We need to hold people accountable for their actions.  But how do we hold a suicidal person accountable for taking a dozen other people with him?  There's nothing we can do.  The person is gone, as he wished, and brought a bunch of innocent people with him.  What's the answer?  I'm not really sure.  The only thing I can think of is preventative action.  Maybe make it a little more difficult to access firearms, especially if you're unstable?

No one is obligated to carry a gun as you say.  They do however have the right to.  They also have the responsibility to exercise good judgement and know their limitations.  Those that fail to do so should be penalized rather than blaming an inanimate object.

As you can tell, this is a mjaor issue for me.

I understand.  But some people are incapable of exercising good judgment.  How can these people access firearms?  How can we penalize someone after he's dead?  There's no other way around it than to have stuff like this continue.

I know this is a major issue for you.  If you remember I defended you a few times at HTGTH when talks of guns and hunting came up.  I grew up in a small town where everyone had guns.  We all had them.  But we knew to exercise good judgment and maintained the notion of using guns only as tools.  Of course, if a guy walked up the street carrying a gun, we assumed he was on his way on a hunting trip.  However, if we saw the person enter a mall or school carrying a gun, it would be an entirely different scenario.  Even if it's innocent, people feel uneasy and wonder the reason for carrying a gun inside.



But I've spent enough time BSing, time to finish my mid-term.

R.F.

I know the feeling.  I'm smack-dab in the middle of exams myself.

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