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Axlin16
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Re: Next on the list: Uganda

Axlin16 wrote:

Black people are not discriminated against in this country.


That is a MASSIVE lie perpetuated for years.


Whites are the fuckin' minority in this country. The U.S. government actually planned to officially announce "White, of Hispanic Origin" as the U.S. majority awhile back, and took so much shit for it, it was buried because we gotta keep the status quo working for the liberals.

jpp i'll grant you you know you're country better than I do, but there is a SHIT LOAD of stuff you've said in the last two pages that I swear to God came right off of "Democracy Now!" on Link TV.

Alot of stuff you've said in here is straight out of liberalism indoctrination in colleges throughout the world, which frankly DOES NOT EXIST in America on the level it's reported.

Just remember something next time you think YOU KNOW America... everything you get is told from a slant, no different than the stuff we get.

I do agree with America needing to stay out of everyone's business (just on financial reasons alone), but Randall is a U.S. soldier who has a FAR BIGGER AND MORE ACCURATE view on the situation in Iraq, then some internet keyboard badass sitting in South America which has no clue on an American war other than being an armchair quarterback.

jppgnr
 Rep: 18 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

jppgnr wrote:
James Lofton wrote:
jppgnr wrote:

cause if UN violations are reason to go to war, id like to ask, in the name of my country Argentina, the US help to invade Great Britain or bomb the shit out of them so they give us back the Falklands(Islas Malvinas).

You're seriously comparing the Falklands crisis to the Iraq war? REALLY??

Reagan was right to look the other way while Thatcher took care of business, no offense. The UK was NOT in ANY violation of a UN resolution and was defending what it considers its own territory. The US was not obligated by treaty, defending a violation of international law,etc. to defend Argentina during the conflict. When we get down to brass tacks, Argentina is lucky the US took a slightly neutral stance as we easily could have sided with the UK and assisted them with our navy as the Falklands are far from the UK and it wasn't easy for them to retake it. A war that would have lasted a few days tops if closer wound up lasting several months. Had it turned into a quagmire, the US would have got involved and it was even possible for the UK to invoke Article 5 and it become a NATO operation instead of simply being a UK-Argentina conflict.

Obviously you're from Argentina and have a different viewpoint on the subject, but to compare that conflict to any other(especially ANY US conflict) is absurd.




edit: I just read an article about this conflict and it was Argentina in violation of UN Resolution 502.

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLU … penElement


Also, Libya was supplying Argentina with missiles during the conflict.  In other words, they were within three shakes of a lamb's tail from getting bitch slapped by Reagan.

Wow, i dint compare the Falklands with Iraq, read again. Not even close to compare them. You said that Bush had every right to invade Iraq cause of UN violations and i cited other countries who were in UN violations and didnt receive the same treatment as Iraq.

And for Brittain to claim sovereignty over a couple of island 15000miles away from their territory is absurd, its colonialism. So yes, the US might have interveend in the matter but that doesnt make legal, moral or fair.

Randall Flagg
 Rep: 136 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

Are you stupid or just ignorant?  Sadam was in power before Regan was even elected.  But that doesn't fit the delusion you hold about US influence.  You want to emulate Germany and Japan?  Hmmm, what country rebuilt those two nations?  Can someone help me out here.


Your country has the same freedoms as America my ass.  America is constitutionally obligated to finance the catholic church, like yours is.  My  country doesn't mandate that its leaders be catholic, like yours does.

Those groups you mentioned, Jews, Asians and Blacks, exactly how are they discriminated against?  Your area of the world was much more populated with slaves than America ever was.  Have you ever met a Jewish or Asian person?  I doubt there's a bunch immigrating to your country.  Not exactly a bastion of progress economically or socially. 

You're government is modeled after America's and when we say jump, you ask how high.  You don't matter and that bothers you.  So you come here with bullshit revisionist history and touting "facts" that are utter garbage.   

Everything you have within an arm's reach was made possible by America.  From electricity to the internet you use to communicate your garbage.  Welcome to the jungle little boy.  America is the fucking king, and you're the flea on the termite's balls.

jppgnr
 Rep: 18 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

jppgnr wrote:
Axlin08 wrote:

Black people are not discriminated against in this country.


That is a MASSIVE lie perpetuated for years.


Whites are the fuckin' minority in this country. The U.S. government actually planned to officially announce "White, of Hispanic Origin" as the U.S. majority awhile back, and took so much shit for it, it was buried because we gotta keep the status quo working for the liberals.

jpp i'll grant you you know you're country better than I do, but there is a SHIT LOAD of stuff you've said in the last two pages that I swear to God came right off of "Democracy Now!" on Link TV.

Alot of stuff you've said in here is straight out of liberalism indoctrination in colleges throughout the world, which frankly DOES NOT EXIST in America on the level it's reported.

Just remember something next time you think YOU KNOW America... everything you get is told from a slant, no different than the stuff we get.

I do agree with America needing to stay out of everyone's business (just on financial reasons alone), but Randall is a U.S. soldier who has a FAR BIGGER AND MORE ACCURATE view on the situation in Iraq, then some internet keyboard badass sitting in South America which has no clue on an American war other than being an armchair quarterback.

Calling someone a racial slur(whatever it may be) isnt the only way to discriminate people. And being the mayority doesnt exclude them from being discriminated. Look at South Africa. A majority of black people discriminated by a white majority. Theres also economical discrimination, not everyone getting the same chance of a good life, theres much more than racial slur, gender issues.

Democracy Now, yeah right. Liberal indoctrination in colleges aroud the world, you must be kidding me, right? Seriously? You think theres a current liberal indoctrination going on in the world, maybe youre hearing too much Rush Limbaugh.
In school i got the same bullshit you got, a proper capitalist christian education. Give me a break, someone says something bad of the US and it must be a liberal or a socialist.

I never said america was a shithole, unlike randall, i just pointed out that america isnt perfect. That is it. If hes a soldier my respects to him, hes doing something brave, hes fighting for is country, maybe hes doing it for a good cause, and he believes in that cause. Fine.

But the point i was making is who made the US the world police, who gave you the right to meddle in everyones bussines. Thats it, and you agreed, so cool it.

And im not a internet keyboard badass, im just discussing something on the internet.  Im trying to be respectful with everyone, and what i got? A guy saying i was envious of the US and the same guy calling my country a gutter.

Randall Flagg wrote:

Are you stupid or just ignorant?  Sadam was in power before Regan was even elected.  But that doesn't fit the delusion you hold about US influence.  You want to emulate Germany and Japan?  Hmmm, what country rebuilt those two nations?  Can someone help me out here.

Maybe im both, dunno. You helped rebuil Japan and Germany? Congrats.
Fine reagan didnt help saddam, but the CIA did. The rest of the stuff was true, you gave them guns, tanks, chemical weapons, and shitloads of money. You stood by when saddam murdered 500000 communists and kurds and when he invaded Kuwait you let him go.
15 years and a cool million kids dead cause of US sanctions later you remembered he was bad and went after him.


Randall Flagg wrote:

Your country has the same freedoms as America my ass.  America is constitutionally obligated to finance the catholic church, like yours is.  My  country doesn't mandate that its leaders be catholic, like yours does.

So the abysmal difference in peoples right you found between Argentina and the US is our president has to be Catholic and yours dont? Amazing.

Randall Flagg wrote:

Those groups you mentioned, Jews, Asians and Blacks, exactly how are they discriminated against?  Your area of the world was much more populated with slaves than America ever was.  Have you ever met a Jewish or Asian person?  I doubt there's a bunch immigrating to your country.  Not exactly a bastion of progress economically or socially.

Ive had the pleasure of knowing both jewish and asian persons, yes i have.
Theres a lot of inmigration to my country, maybe you should get your facts straight, and we welcome them with free education and healthcare not with a guy in a uniform with a shotgun watching the border.

Randall Flagg wrote:

You're government is modeled after America's and when we say jump, you ask how high.  You don't matter and that bothers you.  So you come here with bullshit revisionist history and touting "facts" that are utter garbage.

Our government isnt modeled on yours. In the last 10 years when you say jump we say fuck you. If in the past youd say jump and we said how high it must have been cause we had the fresh memories of the US backed dictatorships in our country and the thousands of dissapeared.
We kind of like our democracy and being able to choose our own presidents.


Randall Flagg wrote:

Everything you have within an arm's reach was made possible by America.  From electricity to the internet you use to communicate your garbage.  Welcome to the jungle little boy.  America is the fucking king, and you're the flea on the termite's balls.

Wow, thanks!

America is the king, but id watch out for China, have you heard of them? They own half of america by now.

I like being a flea on a termite's ballsack, cause i dont have half the world trying to kill me.

Welcome to the jungle baby!

Randall Flagg
 Rep: 136 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

Dude, you make no sense at all.  You accuse the US of policing the world, then use the fact that we didn't take Sadam out, only ousted him from Kuwait, as a bad thing the US did.  Which is it, cause you're arguments make no sense.  You're just launching assaults against the US and have nothing to back them up.

Newsflash! A good country takes care of their own.  They look out for their interest.  That's what any nation should do.  Giving a rat's ass and "helping" other nations falls under that braod category of policing the world.  You know, the thing you attack the US for.

So take a step back and rethink you argument because they fall flat on their face when held up to scrutiny.  You hate the US so much, yet we're the only superpower in the history of the world not to go around declaring every soil we touch as our own.  The nations we come to are better off when we're done.  And if you knew a god damn thing about reality instead of bullshit check lists admonishing the US, you'd know that.  Iraq for example, has better productivity and and resources now than they did before the US invasion.  And they also have that thing called democracy, the think you're trying to tout about your own country now.   Again, you contradict yourself.  You claim the US installed Sadam, I told you you're wrong, so you change up your claim (with no facts by the way), but coincidentally, who removed Sadam from power and allowed the Iraqis to hold votes to dtermine their own fate?  That's right, the same guys you claim installed their dictator.  So on one hand you accuse us of policing the world, then bitch when we don't stop a country from killing their own. 

Well fuck, based on corruption indexes, maybe we should add your nation to the list.  Of all the fucked up things in America, effective voter fraud and government corruption aren't plagues.  When a US elected official tweets a picture of his dick, we get rid of them, let alone the ones caught doing actual illegal shit.  In argentina, it's business as usual.

And although once again you're wrong about half the world wanting to kill us (recent surveys shwo the US as one of the most liked nations in the world), those shitty nations that do really dislike us (and thank god you're not indicative of your nation) don't stand a rats ass.  Let Iran and N. Korea try something.

And the whole China thing, yea they're entirely dependent on the US.  That whole currency and ownership thing some people like to tout is bullshit.  China tries to pull the rug out from us, they hurt themselves alot more.  China may have 2 billion people, but they have 2 billion poorly educated people who wouldn't be able to compete with the US on a level playing field and would have their asses handed to them in a war. 

But I'm really just replying to the angry rhetoric of a confused an uninformed member of a nation that really doesn't matter.  Besides a hideout for Nazis and the basis for a shitty Madonna song in 96, Argentina and its citizens haven't really added much to the progress of our species.

Game.
Set.
Match.


Flagg wins!

jppgnr
 Rep: 18 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

jppgnr wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Dude, you make no sense at all.  You accuse the US of policing the world, then use the fact that we didn't take Sadam out, only ousted him from Kuwait, as a bad thing the US did.  Which is it, cause you're arguments make no sense.  You're just launching assaults against the US and have nothing to back them up.

Newsflash! A good country takes care of their own.  They look out for their interest.  That's what any nation should do.  Giving a rat's ass and "helping" other nations falls under that braod category of policing the world.  You know, the thing you attack the US for.

So take a step back and rethink you argument because they fall flat on their face when held up to scrutiny.  You hate the US so much, yet we're the only superpower in the history of the world not to go around declaring every soil we touch as our own.  The nations we come to are better off when we're done.  And if you knew a god damn thing about reality instead of bullshit check lists admonishing the US, you'd know that.  Iraq for example, has better productivity and and resources now than they did before the US invasion.  And they also have that thing called democracy, the think you're trying to tout about your own country now.   Again, you contradict yourself.  You claim the US installed Sadam, I told you you're wrong, so you change up your claim (with no facts by the way), but coincidentally, who removed Sadam from power and allowed the Iraqis to hold votes to dtermine their own fate?  That's right, the same guys you claim installed their dictator.  So on one hand you accuse us of policing the world, then bitch when we don't stop a country from killing their own. 

Well fuck, based on corruption indexes, maybe we should add your nation to the list.  Of all the fucked up things in America, effective voter fraud and government corruption aren't plagues.  When a US elected official tweets a picture of his dick, we get rid of them, let alone the ones caught doing actual illegal shit.  In argentina, it's business as usual.

And although once again you're wrong about half the world wanting to kill us (recent surveys shwo the US as one of the most liked nations in the world), those shitty nations that do really dislike us (and thank god you're not indicative of your nation) don't stand a rats ass.  Let Iran and N. Korea try something.

And the whole China thing, yea they're entirely dependent on the US.  That whole currency and ownership thing some people like to tout is bullshit.  China tries to pull the rug out from us, they hurt themselves alot more.  China may have 2 billion people, but they have 2 billion poorly educated people who wouldn't be able to compete with the US on a level playing field and would have their asses handed to them in a war. 

But I'm really just replying to the angry rhetoric of a confused an uninformed member of a nation that really doesn't matter.  Besides a hideout for Nazis and the basis for a shitty Madonna song in 96, Argentina and its citizens haven't really added much to the progress of our species.

Game.
Set.
Match.


Flagg wins!

I dont hate you Flagg, i got no problem with you or americans. Yes i dont like the US being the world police, that is true, but why when you had the chance to take him out after Kuwait you didnt? I see no contradiction in asking that, you where already there, why let him stay? By that time he'd commited all of the horrible things he was accused. He was a monster then as he was in 2003. Why wait 12 years, all im asking?
When you went in 2003 US intelligence said he had WMD's, none where found. What changed? What made you go there?

Ok, they have better productivity now, great, but they also have suicide bombings every other week, thats what im saying when i say theyre worst now than before.
This is from 2008 http://reliefweb.int/node/261495 i would like to know how much has changed.
This too http://www.globalpolicy.org/iraq/humani … risis.html


About the whole better productivity thing,  i wanna know how much of the money being made goes to the population of iraq and how much goes to big corporations(US corp. or non US, the same). Being the corporationes there helps the people change their lives? Or theyre cheap labor, and are employed only on small jobs.
Of all the money being made out of oil, (thats all they have right? no gold, or any other resources) how much of that serves the iraqi government to modernize or help rebuild their nation.

I dont want the US to fail in iraq, i hope they can grow as a nation. I just dont see it happening, i hope im proved wrong maybe in the future  years and ill be happy with it.

IN the end thats all that bothers me, why knowing of the atrocities he was responsible you backed him up, and then one day said, umm saddam is bad lets take him out.


The whole Newsflash! A good country takes care of their own.  They look out for their interest.  That's what any nation should do. i just dont get it.
Are you saying that if america has a particular interest in a foreign country, you can just take it?




Nice to hear how much you apreciate Argentina.

There arent voter fraud problems in argentina, and if there are, theyre of the same magnitude of the Bush/Gore problem. When someone cried fraud and in the end there where none or it was infimal.
The corruption you speak comes from a Corruption Perceptions Index, there are corruption problems, but they arent as widespread as people are led believe.

Weve indeed added our fair share of things to the progress of our species as you say, fingerprint identification system, the bus, blood transfusion. the first effective helicopter in aviation history, coronary artery bypass surgery and others. We're sorry we're not up to your standards, but at least we tried.

Axlin16
 Rep: 768 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

Axlin16 wrote:
jppgnr wrote:

Calling someone a racial slur(whatever it may be) isnt the only way to discriminate people. And being the mayority doesnt exclude them from being discriminated. Look at South Africa. A majority of black people discriminated by a white majority. Theres also economical discrimination, not everyone getting the same chance of a good life, theres much more than racial slur, gender issues.

Democracy Now, yeah right. Liberal indoctrination in colleges aroud the world, you must be kidding me, right? Seriously? You think theres a current liberal indoctrination going on in the world, maybe youre hearing too much Rush Limbaugh.
In school i got the same bullshit you got, a proper capitalist christian education. Give me a break, someone says something bad of the US and it must be a liberal or a socialist.

Hey man, I went to fuckin' school. I don't know what Republican cock suckin' pro-capitalist education you got, but the education I got was HEAVILY liberally biased. The only thing capitalist about it was how I was basically financially raped at knife point. It's amazing how liberal colleges are, yet when it comes to getting paid, suddenly they are pro-capitalist.

This is colleges as how they exist.


My education from fuckin' birth, despite being financially pro-capitalist, was HEAVILY socially liberal. Brainwashed from birth about how whites owed something to minorities, Abe Lincoln freed the salves (which is utter bullshit), the Civil War was solely about slavery (which is bullshit), only Southern Americans are racists (which an enormous lie, that's almost contradictory to the truth), and I could go on...

I'm not gonna bore you with all of the socially liberal lies that were told to me. No different than the financially conservative lies that were told to me.

Dr. Martin Luther King said the most violently racist city he ever marched in was - CHICAGO.

The last school to stop segregated busing - BOSTON.

Abe Lincoln couldn't stand blacks, and hated the slavery issue and never wanted to touch. He eventually jumped on the abolitionist movement, because of pressure from his party, but even still thought it was a dead end that would hurt the country.


These are things American schools and colleges don't teach. They don't teach it, because it's not what they want you to know. They want you having the same indoctrination.

Even liberals, who preach tolorance and acceptance of all cultures (such as Argentina), still only do so because they think that you backwards, stone-throwing Argentinians need liberal Americans to "help save you".

I'm not kidding man. That's actually how they think.


And that's how you're post came across. The same boring, same old same old liberal indoctrination about American history. Very little of it is true, with maybe the exception of the homosexual issue.

But like Randall said, at least in America we allow gays to be able to say how upset they are at not having equality. In the middle east, they'd all just be killed. No one would ever dare to speak a word of coming out for fear of death.

And that ultimately has to count for something in America.

jppgnr
 Rep: 18 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

jppgnr wrote:
Axlin08 wrote:

Hey man, I went to fuckin' school. I don't know what Republican cock suckin' pro-capitalist education you got, but the education I got was HEAVILY liberally biased. The only thing capitalist about it was how I was basically financially raped at knife point. It's amazing how liberal colleges are, yet when it comes to getting paid, suddenly they are pro-capitalist.

This is colleges as how they exist.

I would like to know what you mean by liberally biased, cause i get the feeling that maybe were talking about two different things.
And the bit about it being pro capitalist about getting paid, to me thats got nothing to do with anything, i see no contradiction in having liberal views and charging a hefty fee for an education. After al we live in a capitalist world. I have some liberal views and some other not so much, but because of those views doesnt mean i will charge you any less the work i do.
Maybe you see it differently, dont know.


Axlin08 wrote:

My education from fuckin' birth, despite being financially pro-capitalist, was HEAVILY socially liberal. Brainwashed from birth about how whites owed something to minorities, Abe Lincoln freed the salves (which is utter bullshit), the Civil War was solely about slavery (which is bullshit), only Southern Americans are racists (which an enormous lie, that's almost contradictory to the truth), and I could go on...

Axlin08 wrote:

I'm not gonna bore you with all of the socially liberal lies that were told to me. No different than the financially conservative lies that were told to me.

Dr. Martin Luther King said the most violently racist city he ever marched in was - CHICAGO.

The last school to stop segregated busing - BOSTON.

Abe Lincoln couldn't stand blacks, and hated the slavery issue and never wanted to touch. He eventually jumped on the abolitionist movement, because of pressure from his party, but even still thought it was a dead end that would hurt the country.

I got the same education you did then, cause i too was lied about certain things, like they paint a pristine portrait of someone that when you get older you learn of all the bad things he did, or the reasons why he did those actions.
In here we are tought that Sarmiento, was a former president and a strong advocate of education, he founded many many schools and made it mandatory for kids to go to them. Great.
But what they dont tell you is that he was a giant racist who believed in eropean supremacy and was kind of a mass murderer, he killed hundreds of thousands of natives.
The same shit you got, only that i dont see as a liberal things, to me its just that you cant teach a 7 year old those things. You got to lie, or ommit certain things.
In fact i see it as the opposite of liberal, what do liberal gain from perpetuating the myth?

Think what you would have tought if theyd told you those things as a little boy? Its wrong that they lie, but i dont see any other way. When you get older you end up learning all of it by yourself.


Axlin08 wrote:

These are things American schools and colleges don't teach. They don't teach it, because it's not what they want you to know. They want you having the same indoctrination.

Even liberals, who preach tolorance and acceptance of all cultures (such as Argentina), still only do so because they think that you backwards, stone-throwing Argentinians need liberal Americans to "help save you".

I'm not kidding man. That's actually how they think.

If they think that theyre nuts, and know nothing about Argentina. Im 24 years old and ive never heard of someone in my country being stoned or even killed for being gay.
For instance Buenos Aires is statisticly saffer than most US big cities. This aint the middle east, this aint africa nor centroamerica.
Two years ago in my country gay marriage was made legal, and in all the territory. Not just some states.

School itself is a mean of indoctrination, you go there, receive the information, learn it and thats it. You cant object it, you cant say thats not true. You go there to learn not to debate or exchange information, its only a one way street.

Axlin08 wrote:

And that's how you're post came across. The same boring, same old same old liberal indoctrination about American history. Very little of it is true, with maybe the exception of the homosexual issue.

But like Randall said, at least in America we allow gays to be able to say how upset they are at not having equality. In the middle east, they'd all just be killed. No one would ever dare to speak a word of coming out for fear of death.

And that ultimately has to count for something in America.

You have a great country i never said it was something else than that, and if my post came out like taht i apologize.
All i did was point out problems that your country had. and i did it as a response to randall.

I agree that the middle east is fucked up, really fucked up, i said it was a beautifull place and i got shit from randall, i never said it was awesome to live there o that it was better than the US.
I think its awesome you let gay people say what they think, but maybe you should think about giving them what they want too.

All i was trying to say its that i was sick of the US meddling in other countries bussines, i said i was againt the war in iraq, i never said i was against the troops or soldiers who risk their lives.
A lot of americans say the same thing "i support the troops but im against the war".

And im against the war cause i think that yeah, on a personal or individual level, soldiers went to iraq to free its people. But i believe that as a country that wasnt your motivation.
You went there for oil. Thats what i think. Im sorry.

Axlin16
 Rep: 768 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

Axlin16 wrote:
jppgnr wrote:

School itself is a mean of indoctrination, you go there, receive the information, learn it and thats it. You cant object it, you cant say thats not true. You go there to learn not to debate or exchange information, its only a one way street.

THAT! That right there was all I was trying to say.

"History is full of shit"

I can't speak for your countries or others, but I know in America our history is so biased that even our history books are taught from a slant. That's all I was ever trying to say about "liberally biased".

jppgnr
 Rep: 18 

Re: Next on the list: Uganda

jppgnr wrote:
Axlin08 wrote:
jppgnr wrote:

School itself is a mean of indoctrination, you go there, receive the information, learn it and thats it. You cant object it, you cant say thats not true. You go there to learn not to debate or exchange information, its only a one way street.

THAT! That right there was all I was trying to say.

"History is full of shit"

I can't speak for your countries or others, but I know in America our history is so biased that even our history books are taught from a slant. That's all I was ever trying to say about "liberally biased".

Nice to see that we can agree on something, school as it is is shit.

I still dont get the "liberally biased" thou, are you using liberal as a bad thing? If liberals are bad, who would be the good guys?

Whats the opposite of liberal? Just curious.

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