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monkeychow
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

monkeychow wrote:
Axlin12 wrote:

I don't quite understand why producers live in mansions and actors (cruddy ones) get $20 million flat out for a picture bitching about piracy, while writers live broke, who created the characters and material.

Yet downloaders are the problem.

I guess I don't get it.

Yeah I agree there's lots that's fucked about the creative industries. The treatment of writers being a major part of it.

But I also don't get the logic that whatever we do is justified because third parties are getting a bad deal.

I mean someone in a third world country probably works for a stupidly low wage in a factory to assemble your clothes too..but we wouldn't use that as a reason to try and not pay for a shirt at a department store.

That's why I see this stuff as selective reasoning.

When it's convenient and it allows us to do what we want which is download stuff for free we're all about social consciousness and it's our moral duty to download to stand up for the writers / or fuck the record companies cos they fuck artists.

But were are those thoughts when we're at Mc Donald's eating while some bastard gets paid $3 an hour to wash the toilet or whatever. It seems to only apply sometimes.

Don't mean to be calling you out...it just troubles me 19

Axlin12 wrote:

I probably would've bought the AIC album because I already knew it was good and I thought I owed a buy to them. Then I would've downloaded the Sixx:AM album to see if it was any good and repeated the process when I had the cash to buy it... if it was any good.

Ahh well more power to you if you do that.

I'd like to do that in my head. Sounds ethically great. But i think to be honest when push comes to shove I'd probably get something new.

There's "top level" bands to me like GNR where id gladly pay for everything...but when it comes to that mid range stuff....it's hard to be ethical and throw money away paying for things you got for free when you're on a budget. And that's why I think it needs to be fixed somehow.

I wonder what would happen if payment was optional at my supermarket...I'd probably still pay for Coke..and the Milk when it was fresh..but no way they're getting money out of me for bread...half the time that fucker is stale 14

But PIPA & SOPA don't do that. There about corporations using government control to censor content to not only control the internet, but create a monopoly on the business don't on the internet. Very little has to do with stopping actual piracy.

We probably agree on that. These bills don't seem to be a good way to fix it. Although there's also an element of scare mongering about it I think too. Like the assumption that everything that has user content would have to be gone because "it's too difficult" to expect multimillion dollar corporations to be accountable for checking themselves what people are doing.

What happens if someone uploads child porn to youtube? Surely they do have facility to check for illegal content...so I don't see why it has to be all/nothing...

tejastech08
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

tejastech08 wrote:
monkeychow wrote:

There's "top level" bands to me like GNR where id gladly pay for everything...but when it comes to that mid range stuff....it's hard to be ethical and throw money away paying for things you got for free when you're on a budget.

Get a higher paying job. Problem solved. tongue 19

James
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

James wrote:

Where was Duff's outrage when the industry abandoned record stores, told them to fuck off, then got in bed with the big box retailers who looked at the music as nothing more than loss leaders? No outrage because he/they thought it would continue to thrive

James
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

James wrote:

The shelf space is shrinking & will eventually shrink to nothing. When its reduced to nothing, the ONLY stores that would have carried your product YOU willingly destroyed years ago. Now you want to blame fans for the collapse?  Find a new excuse..

James
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

James wrote:

I'm not driving to Walmart/Best Buy just to buy a cd. Sorry Duff. You took away other options for fans to buy music. The increase in downloading coincided with the decrease of record stores & the reliance on walmart.

You made this bed. Now go take a nap.

monkeychow
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

monkeychow wrote:
tejastech08 wrote:
monkeychow wrote:

There's "top level" bands to me like GNR where id gladly pay for everything...but when it comes to that mid range stuff....it's hard to be ethical and throw money away paying for things you got for free when you're on a budget.

Get a higher paying job. Problem solved. tongue 19

Yeah but then you have no time to go on tour following the band big_smile

monkeychow
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

monkeychow wrote:
James Lofton wrote:

The increase in downloading coincided with the decrease of record stores & the reliance on walmart.

But why is that? If the major part of the public starts getting something for free that they used to buy - then it will be the little stores that close first...people like wallmart can absorb it through the profits they make on other lines.

tejastech08
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

tejastech08 wrote:
James Lofton wrote:

The shelf space is shrinking & will eventually shrink to nothing. When its reduced to nothing, the ONLY stores that would have carried your product YOU willingly destroyed years ago. Now you want to blame fans for the collapse?  Find a new excuse..

Great point. Damn shame what happened to real music stores in the 90's.

James
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

James wrote:

Monkey, I know you & Duff want to think I should feel obligated to stand in mile long lines behind welfare queens wasting their food stamps onwalmart garbage just so I can buy the new Loaded cd, which they wont even stock.

You & Duff are sadly mistaken.

James
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Re: Duff: Quit Whining About SOPA and PIPA

James wrote:

Like MANY others, I willingly bought music until the industry decided they no longer wanted me to buy it. A customer should not have to jump through hoops for a product. Thats why people take the download it free option.

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