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His presidency is still new, and this hurt, but I wouldn't really start thinking the end unless his tax/trade bills get killed. This should be the easiest for him but the freedom caucus has power now and Ryan knows they literally can't afford those big tax cuts because of the health care failure. The whole reason he wanted to pass healthcare was to set up those tax cuts. There's no way they can satisfy the FC, especially with how hard businesses will be lobbying all the moderate republicans to fight on trade.
I will be very surprised if this doesn't just get ugly but disastrous within the entire republican party. The right wing media is trying like hell to turn the clown show that his Trump against Ryan. I'm no Ryan fan by any stretch, but he is the lone voice of reason amongst all of them.
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I've always thought she was a nutter, but didn't know much about her outside her rants on Fox.
Reading through her wikipedia about her failed political campaigns funded by Trump. She was a district attorney while her husband was convicted of tax evasion for over a million. Along with the other felon D'Souza they have on ranting about crooked Hillary, what a shocker!
I hope Fox News readers know too that when nutter Farage (who's been involved in plenty of scams himself) is brought on the TV listed as leader of the UK opposition on Fox, that some know he's ran 7 times in 7 different constituencies and failed to get elected for the UK parliament. It's the equivalent of bringing on an American who leads a party without seats in congress or the senate and calling him the President's main "opposition".
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It's absurd to blame Democrats. The Republicans have controlled the house for a few years now, and Trumpcare couldn't even get a vote from Congress? That's abysmal. Trump blamed the Freedom Caucus, they blamed the Dems. Mark Meadows, head of the FC, was on Stephanopolous, and George said Trump called him out on Twitter, and he basically responded with "It's the Democrats fault."?
Shumer was on later and called out Trump. He basically called him out saying 'he ran as a populist' (MAGA, Bring factory jobs back etc) but now his healthcare and budget are both looking to hurt the poor, take away programs they depend on, yet give massive benefits to the rich and financeers. He told him he needs to turn and they'll work with him. (I guess he'll need them to since it was the "Dems" who blocked Trumpcare 
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Too many pages to catch up on....as usual...if someone directed a post to me and got no response....apologies.
Was giving Trump a fair chance and the best thing about his campaign was the middle finger to the establishment but this presidency is turning into the biggest troll in world history.
I don't watch much TV anymore but when I see him on there as president, I sometimes feel like we've slipped into some alternate universe and none of this is real.
The health care thing was dead on arrival and they ALL knew it beforehand. It was a sick joke and a waste of time.
When I get back home I'll try to catch up on the last 5-10 pages at least. I'm sure this whole TrumpCare debate raised the blood pressure around here.
It's absurd to blame Democrats.
THis partisan era needs to end somehow. They are all to blame and NONE of them are actually on the side of the voters.
We need a real outsider to burn the whole system to the ground.
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I am at the point to say fuck you to the insurance companies and just do single payer to cover anyone and that is paid from taxes and for the middle class and wealthy they can have their own private system.
Insurance and hospitals have been FVCKING My the patients for so many decades they refuse to give up on any of that cash because they need it to keep the lights on and keep folks employed etc.
The problem would then become that the "free" healthcare would suck while the private insurance would be good and people would still bitch.
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Medicare is the best coverage you can get. That's why the fraud doctors commit against it is ridiculous. I've caught doctors doing it against my parents medicare.
Boehner is somewhere laughing...
Oh, absolutely. He called this mess exactly how it went down. He literally posts celebratory pictures when freedom caucus members lose elections.
Can't blame Obama anymore. And like pasnow said, you can't blame dems, when your whole plan is to pass a bill without any dem support.
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Too many pages to catch up on....as usual...if someone directed a post to me and got no response....apologies.
Was giving Trump a fair chance and the best thing about his campaign was the middle finger to the establishment but this presidency is turning into the biggest troll in world history.
I don't watch much TV anymore but when I see him on there as president, I sometimes feel like we've slipped into some alternate universe and none of this is real.
The health care thing was dead on arrival and they ALL knew it beforehand. It was a sick joke and a waste of time.
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When I get back home I'll try to catch up on the last 5-10 pages at least. I'm sure this whole TrumpCare debate raised the blood pressure around here.
It's absurd to blame Democrats.
THis partisan era needs to end somehow. They are all to blame and NONE of them are actually on the side of the voters.
We need a real outsider to burn the whole system to the ground.
Of course it would be great if the partisan bickering could end but it's simply a reflection of the people.
I really believe that we are (and have been for at least half a decade) in an era that fosters this...not just politically, but in other arenas of life.
If given a choice between helping yourself or hurting others (I mean that figuratively)...I think people right now would prefer to hurt others. Our politicians mirror this....
How on earth can the most developed country in the world treat health insurance/care like any other product in the market. How can we justify the way things were before Obamacare/Affordable Care Act anymore? Why would we ever want to back there? What would that say about us as a people? Sure, I get the whole free market, supply/demand, government stay out of influencing the economy argument but there has to be some wiggle room. What about the morality of the people in a given country? Even, supposedly, the most powerful/affluent/developed country in the world.
Trump is an asshole and a bully. He blunders on a daily basis. He is not in a position to use the advantages he has in the private sector as president....and that's why he's going to suck at it. He wants to bully, and stiff arm, and posture, and use bluster to put pressure on people to do what he wants. That's not going to work when you are trying to convince people to follow you. I am envisioning a day when he actually tries to fire members of congress or sue them for not doing what he told them to do.
If that's how he chooses to govern, or if that's how he is choosing to lead....he'll get it back in spades. But he's incapable of patience...he's incapable of cooperation or collaboration. He just wants to shove it through. He wants to be the boss. He wants to delegate all the work to specialists, take all the credit for it and have no idea what any of it is about beyond a surface level. Just think if he proposed this plan and waited six months to have the vote...allowed people to really understand it...digest it...prepare for it....instead it just instilled fear and rage. Because to Trump and his supporters, the definition of success is in the implementation....any assessment of what it does/how it does it/whether or not it is even better doesn't matter.
In closing, I think it might take a whole generation of people and for that time to pass to properly assess Obamacare. The idea was so foreign to the American public when it was introduced and subsequently passed that I believe we may still be flux as a society on how best to use it. Preventative care will always be cheaper than treatment. If we as a society could get into that idea and use Obamacare to make that happen, then I think we'd get somewhere on healthcare.
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I am at the point to say fuck you to the insurance companies and just do single payer to cover anyone and that is paid from taxes and for the middle class and wealthy they can have their own private system.
Insurance and hospitals have been FVCKING My the patients for so many decades they refuse to give up on any of that cash because they need it to keep the lights on and keep folks employed etc.
The problem would then become that the "free" healthcare would suck while the private insurance would be good and people would still bitch.
I would agree with you. No third party should profit from our most basic need imo. I think the biggest mistake Obama made with ACA was dropping the public option from the bill. It would have been competitive with the private market, helped keep pricing down, and simply been another option, Medicare for all. The public/private model exists in many countries around the world and does just fine. All the boogieman talk about socialism was ridiculous IMO. We already have a private/public hybrid here in America. Opening it up a little more wasn't going to make the sky fall.
I still think the best I've seen about this was on Frontline. It explored the healthcare systems around the world along with their pros/cons.
