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- Randall Flagg
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Randall Flagg wrote:This article is fantastic. It's almost as if the author observed most of you talk the past few days.
http://thefederalist.com/2017/07/12/wha … dishonest/----
Donald Trump Jr. is not only a crook, but this now points to treason!Well, unless new information emerges, it doesn’t look like Donald Trump Jr. broke any laws. Taking a meeting with a foreign national might be shady and scandalous and stupid, but it’s almost surely not illegal, unless there was quid quo pro, etc. And the meeting doesn’t meet even the broadest interpretation of “treason.” By using this kind of over-the-top rhetoric, you’re taking a legitimate political scandal and overplaying your hand — as you have numerous times in your quest for impeachment.
Look at the Trumpkin with his ready-made talking point. So nothing that is technically illegal can be wrong? ‘It’s horrible but not treason.’ You go with that!
Of course a lack of criminality doesn’t mean there was a lack of corrupt behavior. No one should excuse the actions of the Trump administration. But neither should we expect Trump voters to embrace a standard that Democrats dismissed only a few months ago. When James Comey found that Hillary Clinton had broken laws related to the handling of classified information — then attempted to conceal the evidence from investigators — she escaped because prosecutors were supposedly unable to prove intent. We were repeatedly lectured that the only thing that mattered was that Hillary had been legally cleared. She was ready to lead, and so on. Many of us pointed out that her defense was setting a corrosive precedent — which is more than we can say for the majority of Democrats.
Because the election is over, dude. When Hillary is president you can impeach her. Concentrate on what’s happening now.
It’s both happening right now. Condemning Trump’s bad behavior shouldn’t inhibit anyone from pointing out the duplicity and partisan aims of those attempting to gain back power. Those people are part of the equation. In the same way the past doesn’t excuse Trump’s actions, his actions don’t excuse the hypocrisy and corruption of his antagonists. Charges of whataboutism are often used to shut that discussion down. Moreover, the idea that Americans should contemplate politics without any historical context is a brand new, and utterly absurd, demand. Despite what you have heard, history did not start on January 21.
The two are not comparable. This isn’t about hypocrisy, this is about collusion with RUSSIA, America’s number one geopolitical foe!
If this is so why did Russia to get away with murder over the past decade? The problem is, your newfound concern regarding Russia’s role in the world isn’t very convincing. Mine is consistent. And if you were truly worried about collusion and kompromat, then you would have been concerned about Hillary’s foundation engaging in favor-trading with a number of hostile and illiberal powers — including, The New York Times has reported, Russian oligarchs. You would have been concerned that Democrats were shopping that Steele dossier, which came directly from Russian sources, to anyone who would listen. And not only did the media bite on this fictitious intel, but the dossier may well have been used to unmask American citizens. Was this treason? Collusion?
But whataboutism is mostly used to excuse Donald Trump.I’d say it’s used as much for excuse-making by Trump’s fans as it is to circumvent uncomfortable debates. Take, for instance, NPR’s narrow definition of whataboutism. It says, “’whataboutism’ is an attractive tactic for populists allowing them to be vague but also appear straight-talking from what’s happening now.” Yes, it’s also an attractive word for partisans to throw around when they realize their positions undermine their credibility.
So that makes it okay for Trump to steal our democracy.
Attempted Russian meddling in the American election system should be investigated fully and dealt with. But no one has stolen democracy or an election. Not one American vote was hijacked by a Russian. Not one American was fooled by anything the Russians were saying or doing. That is transparent mythmaking meant to cast doubt on the validity of the electoral system. It’s tactically similar to what Democrats engaged in after George W. Bush won, and I suspect it will be similar to what you’ll do after any other Republican wins the presidency.
This is worse. What Trump is doing is unprecedented.
Folks who complain to me about “whataboutism” have a weird propensity to lecture me about historical precedents. Can we talk about the past or not? Take Paul Begala — a guy who led the mocking of Mitt Romney when the candidate called out Barack Obama’s Russian appeasement — who recently asserted that in his “34 years of campaigns, [he] never, ever heard of getting help from a hostile foreign power.” Never? He’s never heard of Charlie Trie, the man who was funneling millions to the Clintons on behalf of Chinese interests? He’s never read the leaked emails that showed the Clinton campaign working with Ukrainians to find information damaging to Trump? Never?At the end of the day, your anti-anti Trumpism is allowing the president destroy the country and abuse his powers. So I hope you’re happy.
At the end of the day, it’s best to take consistent positions and always support strengthening separations of power. If you were cheering the corroded standards and processes of the last eight years, your laments about abuse of power do not hold currency. Either working with a foreign agent is treason or it isn’t. Coddling up to Russian authoritarians (or Iranian Islamists) is gross, or it’s not. Ruling by fiat is how we do things when the opposing party is engaging in “obstruction,” or it’s not. We can’t keep changing the rules every time it’s convenient for Democrats, then cry whataboutism when someone points it out.
The Federalist, of course that would be your go to site
It's an OpEd. I'm not taking an article from Mother Jones and claiming it's evidence Bannon supports the "alt right", whatever the hell that term means.
- Randall Flagg
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Re: US Politics Thread
Randall Flagg wrote:You're already trying to blame Republicans for Russia hacking the DNC.
This is a fucking lie. It's what you do. You make shit up and try to push it into a conversation as something I've said. Stop fucking lying.
Sorry. I thought you've been posting how the president and half his cabinet colluded with Russia and asked them to hack the DNC. I keep fluctuating in quantum states and bouncing between realities. Kind of like how you're in a time bubble and Trump being investigated for firing Comey in May supports your debunked claims of an investigation in January.
- Randall Flagg
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Re: US Politics Thread
They took away a public option, again, Lyin Randy. Nope. Repug bullshit. Republicans came up with the risk corridors, genius. Never said it was perfect, been pretty open about it. You finally going to admit Republicans sabotaged the bill?
Which Republicans? How did they sabotage it again? Can you name those concessions that fucked the bill? Are we still pretending the Democrats were a united front on single payer? Are you in an even bigger time bubble? I'm talking about Barack Obama, not Sasha Obama, the 52nd President of the United States. My time is linear, I can't jump from different points in time and perceive them as no different. I think I understand your confusion. What's it like able to randomly transverse the 4th dimension? Do we have flying cars yet?
This forum is becoming cooler every day. We now have a conspiracy nut job, a mental patient, and a time traveler in our midst!
Re: US Politics Thread
Randall Flagg wrote:You're already trying to blame Republicans for Russia hacking the DNC.
This is a fucking lie. It's what you do. You make shit up and try to push it into a conversation as something I've said. Stop fucking lying.
It's a lawyer tactic too...they try to get you to take a position that you did not intend because they know it's a losing position. Once you start defending the contrived position, you've lost.
Re: US Politics Thread
misterID wrote:They took away a public option, again, Lyin Randy. Nope. Repug bullshit. Republicans came up with the risk corridors, genius. Never said it was perfect, been pretty open about it. You finally going to admit Republicans sabotaged the bill?
Which Republicans? How did they sabotage it again? Can you name those concessions that fucked the bill? Are we still pretending the Democrats were a united front on single payer? Are you in an even bigger time bubble? I'm talking about Barack Obama, not Sasha Obama, the 52nd President of the United States. My time is linear, I can't jump from different points in time and perceive them as no different. I think I understand your confusion. What's it like able to randomly transverse the 4th dimension? Do we have flying cars yet?
This forum is becoming cooler every day. We now have a conspiracy nut job, a mental patient, and a time traveler in our midst!
Don't forget the deluded hubris of one, Lyin' Randy.
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: US Politics Thread
misterID wrote:Randall Flagg wrote:You're already trying to blame Republicans for Russia hacking the DNC.
This is a fucking lie. It's what you do. You make shit up and try to push it into a conversation as something I've said. Stop fucking lying.
It's a lawyer tactic too...they try to get you to take a position that you did not intend because they know it's a losing position. Once you start defending the contrived position, you've lost.
So you don't believe Trump or anyone on his campaign or cabinet worked with Russia intelligence to steal the election?
- Randall Flagg
- Rep: 139
Re: US Politics Thread
Randall Flagg wrote:misterID wrote:They took away a public option, again, Lyin Randy. Nope. Repug bullshit. Republicans came up with the risk corridors, genius. Never said it was perfect, been pretty open about it. You finally going to admit Republicans sabotaged the bill?
Which Republicans? How did they sabotage it again? Can you name those concessions that fucked the bill? Are we still pretending the Democrats were a united front on single payer? Are you in an even bigger time bubble? I'm talking about Barack Obama, not Sasha Obama, the 52nd President of the United States. My time is linear, I can't jump from different points in time and perceive them as no different. I think I understand your confusion. What's it like able to randomly transverse the 4th dimension? Do we have flying cars yet?
This forum is becoming cooler every day. We now have a conspiracy nut job, a mental patient, and a time traveler in our midst!
Don't forget the deluded hubris of one, Lyin' Randy.
Can you answer the question? You piped up it was a Republican idea. Can you know which Republicans in Congress came up with the idea for Obamacare? Or are you just going to string a bunch of incoherent sentences together with a few "fucks" thrown in with a couple anecdotal, personal stories for added dramatic effect? I don't care about your brother and whatever sob story you selectively tell to emotionally sell Obamacare. I'm interested in facts.
Re: US Politics Thread
I'm interested in facts.
That's a fukin laugh dude...I know who you are....you've proven it time and time again.
You don't care about anything. You act like this is all stuff that doesn't direct affect you. You're a passive observer with the knowledge and experience of a supreme court justice.
You're the standard, typical Republican/Conservative. You don't care about anything, you do not stand for anything and certainly don't do anything. There is no reasoning with you. There is no logic but yours. It's not coherent.
I've said it time and time again. You are the king of hubris and confirmation bias. You're a spin doctor and a propagandist. You have a philosophy, and all philosophies have biases. In your case, it's usually regurgitated shit from somewhere else. From Other people that share your philosophy and world view.
You don't care about anyone else but Randall Flagg.
You can claim superiority all you want (cultural, personal, etc) I am not impressed with you in the slightest. You are a hateful, spiteful white dude who thinks the world owes him something.
Me? I'm out there doing it everyday. I employ people...I pay taxes...I do shit. You sit on your ass and use conjecture to make yourself feel like your on the level of a Socrates. You're not...you're just a fucking Fox News peon. Say something once....just once...that I wouldn't hear or see on FOX news or a Rasmussen poll or some dude's blog.
