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mitchejw
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mitchejw wrote:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trum … nance.html

Hilarious...he's going to cost Scotty too hotty his re-election. Thanks Trump!

Will catchy little saying like 'MAGA' or 'lock her up' save Walker in Wisconsin? I hardly think so...

It's amazing what the Trumplicans will do when told to dance. Trump is asking Wisconsin to turn on its own business for some non-descript objective. It's pretty hilarious to watch how much they'll hurt themselves just to stand by Trump. Wisconsin is hemorrhaging good paying jobs and taking in low paying jobs by the minute.

It's sad to see my home state in such duress...but they did it to themselves. I wonder how shocked they'll be when they lose another electoral vote after the next census.

Randall Flagg
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Is it just me, or are accusations of "racism" the new McCarthyism?  Accusations of racism don't have to be proven or evidenced before the label is applied and immediately accepted by a large segment of society.  I seriously can't think of a worse thing to be called in contemporary America.

Omarosa is touring the country on her "Let's call Trump a racist who wants a race war, while we forget the years of positive comments I've made and pay me lots of money" tour.  Just the mere suggestion that Trump used the "N" word is sufficient for CNN, MSNBC and all the garbage, left-wing online publications to pontificate for hours.  Don't get me wrong, if Trump used that word disparagingly, as in he referred to a group of black people with that word, rather than quote someone like the Papa John's guy did, he has to resign.  I choose not to type that word out because I think repeatedly presenting it is explicit.  You post one photoshopped celebrity as a goof, ok.  You fill the forum with porn, and we have a problem.  There's no law that white people have to pretend the word doesn't exist and can't use it in a proper context.  Saying only people of a certain color can use a specific word, is and of itself, racist.  And we're supposed to be rejecting that in all of its forms. I may consider it poor taste to use is contextually in mixed company, but I don't think it makes a person a horrible human being if they're not using it demeaningly, in private conversation; particularly one that was scrupulously recorded.

We reject racism by refusing to support leaders or public figures who espouse those kind of ideas.  If Trump used that word to refer to a person or group of people, yea, he's got to go.  But there's no evidence of it, and I personally believe if any dirt of Trump existed, much like the Access Hollywood tape, it would have made the circuits a long time ago.  A secret that juicy, that someone "played it" for Omarosa - a fucking nobody, and someone hasn't sold it for millions?  I refuse to suspend my disbelief that far.  But until then we don't convict someone by weaponizing accusations of "racism" for political gain.  So many news outlets want to run stories attacking Trump's honesty.  And that's an absolutely fair critique.  It really is.  But when they give lip service to these horrible and salacious allegations with zero evidence, who the fuck are they to lecture on the truth?  It gives the real Trumpkins all they need to ignore any criticism of Trump, and tells a lot of sane people that the media isn't worth listening too.

It was the same thing with the piss tape.  Those that hated Trump eagerly believe in its existence.  The kind of anti-intellectual gosip shit both sides accept because they want concrete proof their political opponent/enemy is truly dispicable is what really harms our political discourse.  Blanketly labeling someone a racist is no different than lashing out at your enemies and calling them a communist.

mitchejw
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mitchejw wrote:

All people like trump have done is learn the art of being covert.

He may not hate poor people...but he sure does take know how to take advantage of them.

Is that racist? Is that illegal? No.

Is it primal? Probably.

It doesn’t change the fact that trump is who he is. And he is the embodiment of privilege and the elite.

misterID
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misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Is it just me, or are accusations of "racism" the new McCarthyism?  Accusations of racism don't have to be proven or evidenced before the label is applied and immediately accepted by a large segment of society.  I seriously can't think of a worse thing to be called in contemporary America.

Omarosa is touring the country on her "Let's call Trump a racist who wants a race war, while we forget the years of positive comments I've made and pay me lots of money" tour.  Just the mere suggestion that Trump used the "N" word is sufficient for CNN, MSNBC and all the garbage, left-wing online publications to pontificate for hours.  Don't get me wrong, if Trump used that word disparagingly, as in he referred to a group of black people with that word, rather than quote someone like the Papa John's guy did, he has to resign.  I choose not to type that word out because I think repeatedly presenting it is explicit.  You post one photoshopped celebrity as a goof, ok.  You fill the forum with porn, and we have a problem.  There's no law that white people have to pretend the word doesn't exist and can't use it in a proper context.  Saying only people of a certain color can use a specific word, is and of itself, racist.  And we're supposed to be rejecting that in all of its forms. I may consider it poor taste to use is contextually in mixed company, but I don't think it makes a person a horrible human being if they're not using it demeaningly, in private conversation; particularly one that was scrupulously recorded.

We reject racism by refusing to support leaders or public figures who espouse those kind of ideas.  If Trump used that word to refer to a person or group of people, yea, he's got to go.  But there's no evidence of it, and I personally believe if any dirt of Trump existed, much like the Access Hollywood tape, it would have made the circuits a long time ago.  A secret that juicy, that someone "played it" for Omarosa - a fucking nobody, and someone hasn't sold it for millions?  I refuse to suspend my disbelief that far.  But until then we don't convict someone by weaponizing accusations of "racism" for political gain.  So many news outlets want to run stories attacking Trump's honesty.  And that's an absolutely fair critique.  It really is.  But when they give lip service to these horrible and salacious allegations with zero evidence, who the fuck are they to lecture on the truth?  It gives the real Trumpkins all they need to ignore any criticism of Trump, and tells a lot of sane people that the media isn't worth listening too.

It was the same thing with the piss tape.  Those that hated Trump eagerly believe in its existence.  The kind of anti-intellectual gosip shit both sides accept because they want concrete proof their political opponent/enemy is truly dispicable is what really harms our political discourse.  Blanketly labeling someone a racist is no different than lashing out at your enemies and calling them a communist.

They're wearing the word out. People are going to start tuning out.... I think they already are. You have to realize also, a lot of media folks identity and livelihood is tied into "everything is racist."

Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:

I watched the movie “Darkest Hour”. A fine film about Winston Churchill. I recommend it to all of you. It isn’t 100% accurate but it is well worth watching!!

mitchejw
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mitchejw wrote:
misterID wrote:
Randall Flagg wrote:

Is it just me, or are accusations of "racism" the new McCarthyism?  Accusations of racism don't have to be proven or evidenced before the label is applied and immediately accepted by a large segment of society.  I seriously can't think of a worse thing to be called in contemporary America.

Omarosa is touring the country on her "Let's call Trump a racist who wants a race war, while we forget the years of positive comments I've made and pay me lots of money" tour.  Just the mere suggestion that Trump used the "N" word is sufficient for CNN, MSNBC and all the garbage, left-wing online publications to pontificate for hours.  Don't get me wrong, if Trump used that word disparagingly, as in he referred to a group of black people with that word, rather than quote someone like the Papa John's guy did, he has to resign.  I choose not to type that word out because I think repeatedly presenting it is explicit.  You post one photoshopped celebrity as a goof, ok.  You fill the forum with porn, and we have a problem.  There's no law that white people have to pretend the word doesn't exist and can't use it in a proper context.  Saying only people of a certain color can use a specific word, is and of itself, racist.  And we're supposed to be rejecting that in all of its forms. I may consider it poor taste to use is contextually in mixed company, but I don't think it makes a person a horrible human being if they're not using it demeaningly, in private conversation; particularly one that was scrupulously recorded.

We reject racism by refusing to support leaders or public figures who espouse those kind of ideas.  If Trump used that word to refer to a person or group of people, yea, he's got to go.  But there's no evidence of it, and I personally believe if any dirt of Trump existed, much like the Access Hollywood tape, it would have made the circuits a long time ago.  A secret that juicy, that someone "played it" for Omarosa - a fucking nobody, and someone hasn't sold it for millions?  I refuse to suspend my disbelief that far.  But until then we don't convict someone by weaponizing accusations of "racism" for political gain.  So many news outlets want to run stories attacking Trump's honesty.  And that's an absolutely fair critique.  It really is.  But when they give lip service to these horrible and salacious allegations with zero evidence, who the fuck are they to lecture on the truth?  It gives the real Trumpkins all they need to ignore any criticism of Trump, and tells a lot of sane people that the media isn't worth listening too.

It was the same thing with the piss tape.  Those that hated Trump eagerly believe in its existence.  The kind of anti-intellectual gosip shit both sides accept because they want concrete proof their political opponent/enemy is truly dispicable is what really harms our political discourse.  Blanketly labeling someone a racist is no different than lashing out at your enemies and calling them a communist.

They're wearing the word out. People are going to start tuning out.... I think they already are. You have to realize also, a lot of media folks identity and livelihood is tied into "everything is racist."

I agree...I don't even want to hear the word anymore.

I would prefer we focus on the injustices of the economic classes.

mitchejw
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mitchejw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

I watched the movie “Darkest Hour”. A fine film about Winston Churchill. I recommend it to all of you. It isn’t 100% accurate but it is well worth watching!!

What an era...I need to study up more on how Churchill even became PM. Based on the WWII museum in New Orleans...they kinda make it seem as though he just suddenly appeared and Nevelle Chamberlian vanished into thin air.

Smoking Guns
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Smoking Guns wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

I watched the movie “Darkest Hour”. A fine film about Winston Churchill. I recommend it to all of you. It isn’t 100% accurate but it is well worth watching!!

What an era...I need to study up more on how Churchill even became PM. Based on the WWII museum in New Orleans...they kinda make it seem as though he just suddenly appeared and Nevelle Chamberlian vanished into thin air.

NC had colon cancer. He did one too many deals with Hitler and appeasement wasn’t working. So he stepped down and they selected WC because he was somebody the opposition would accept. They felt for War Time WC would be a good pick. There was another man but he turned it down and also felt WC would be better. That person like NC felt peace was the best option. But Britain would have sold their soul for peace.

So he did come in very fast. Was fascinating and scary at the same time.

Neville Chamberlain died 6 months after Winston took over. Winston delivered the Eulogy. Must see movie if you like history.

CSS 2.0
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mitchejw
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mitchejw wrote:
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Yup...still not sure what this all means. We’re in no man’s land now.

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