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Re: Some asshat trying to trash MSL
Is it possible than some extra parts were added to some songs because they wanted to make them different to what leaked?
I was listening to the first batch of leaks today and they sound amazing, the first version of The Blues was so good, listening back to it, I cant get over how I used to believe it was just a demo 
Mabye the leaks partly influenced the decision to go ahead and add Ron and Frank over the top of those songs?
Re: Some asshat trying to trash MSL
I cant get over how I used to believe it was just a demo
None of those were demos. I was one of the few saying they were just unmastered waiting for a launch pad. Was told I was crazy and "this stuff is ancient. The songs will be completely different. Axl has reworked those vocals hundreds of times". 
You wanna hear a demo? Go check out that Soundgarden thread in the download section and have a listen. Those demos are demos. Download the Mother Love Bone demos. Those are demos. Download the Elastica demos. Those are demos.
Demos don't have final vocals, orchestra, and all kinds of bells and whistles added.
Re: Some asshat trying to trash MSL
@Olorin
not necessarily.
by the time the album came out the leaks were history.
axl wouldn't modify some tracks just because of us, gnr geeks. a few thousand on the forums already listening to the leaks wouldn't be such a blow to the sales. and most of us bought the record anyway.
there's so many different versions because it's a cut and paste job, and it has been since forever. so, unless there's some new tracks most people on the forums won't even bother
and because it feels like a cut and paste job i would rather listen to the live tracks, because the songs seem to flow like they should, like a song where you get the band to play from start to finish and not playing around with a computer in the studio and cutting some solo from someone and adding a drum piece here and there.
Re: Some asshat trying to trash MSL
The only thing that made me doubt they were not the finished deal was the drums never sounded like some was actually playing, aside from Catcher and TWAT it sounded like a drum machine with a basic beat.
Axl must have been really pissed when what most consider the best song on the album, TWAT, leaked. That msl version is almost identical to the album version, I actually prefer it, that and the original chinese democracy.
Its not just us who listened to the leaks though, they were played on the radio and reveiwed in magazines so a lot more people would have checked them out, Chinese Democracy was Classic Rock Magazines album of the year in 2007!!
I suppose the songs have been lying around for so long that Axl had too much time to get used to them and feel they were stale and add something else to freshen it up. I love the album but its clear to even casual listeners it sounds overcooked in places, it could only turn out that way after such a long time.
Re: Some asshat trying to trash MSL
Its funny that the 3 songs that never leaked until the eve of the album release, Sorry, Scraped and This I Love dont have any moments that jump out as if somethings been pasted into the song, mabye just because we never got acclimatised to early versions.
Aside from that famous skip of course
If we need anything from that rockband songs its the scraped vocal track.
Re: Some asshat trying to trash MSL
Axl must have been really pissed when what most consider the best song on the album, TWAT, leaked. That msl version is almost identical to the album version, I actually prefer it, that and the original chinese democracy.
he didn't look so pissed at the shows in 2006 as far as i remember. calling us "downloading motherfuckers" and joking about it.
plus, when he came out at the korn party in feb. 06 he name dropped his favorite songs: better, the blues, twat; then, guess what tracks magically appeared online 
Its not just us who listened to the leaks though, they were played on the radio and reveiwed in magazines so a lot more people would have checked them out, Chinese Democracy was Classic Rock Magazines album of the year in 2007!!
ok, you are right about that but, tell me how many of those people still listen to the songs now? demos or no demos. they forgot about them as fast as you can say anti-quiet. if the song would be such a massive hit you'd at least hear them now and then on the radio.
- mister saint laurent
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Re: Some asshat trying to trash MSL
just woke up and the posts i just read kind of blend together in my head, but i'll try to address what i can remember . . .
there is a difference between being disappointed & blaming me for the disappointment. yes i know there were posts made about all this stuff that was supposedly about to leak, but i had nothing to do with those posts. to many, the multitracks are meaningless. however, a lot of people care about them and i had hundreds of people contact me begging me to get them after felixed starting teasing people.
in the end, he didn't actually have all of them. what you have now is what he had. *i* was very disappointed and that's part of why i released what i had and terminated the project.
had he actually had them all, there were many trades on the table. who knows, maybe eventually somebody will get the rest of the masters and i will get dragged back into this.
as for TWAT, look, i'm not an expert on this stuff. to those that insist it's fan made, their reasoning is how similar it is and the intro seeming pasted.
however, to the actual experts, some of whom have dozens of versions of some of these songs, that version is considered 100% legit and was used to trade for the mogg of prostitute.
so believe what you want. i was not after any alternates, i was after the multitracks, which i hoped to trade for the general, atlas shrugged, or silkworms, and once i had one of those songs i was fairly certain i would end up with all 3 as i knew enough people with them that didn't know each other that i was confident i'd be able to make some trades.
when i was finally told the rest of the multis were not being sent because felixed never had them to begin with, i decided to shift the focus in my life back to my own music. i'm having a launch party at my warehouse this weekend and have been attempting to rehearse a full length set while also working on the GNR stuff, which has meant a couple hours sleep tops if i was lucky and many days with no sleep at all. whether i got 1 multi or 13 in the end, the workload was the same.
as for using the GNR stuff to further my music, it was actually quite the opposite. it was the music that ended up furthering the GNR stuff. i was in full hype mode over in my little world. keep in mind my message board has been around for over ten years in various forms and sadly at times ends up being a lot more active than many of the bigger GNR boards. on the night i was supposed to upload a new song, i got a PM from someone on my board asking me to help with the multitrack stuff and they sent those two oggs to prove they were legit.
it would be unfair to expect me to stop hyping my music just because somebody asked me to also get involved in GNR stuff.
every time i tell myself i'm done, in the end i get brought back into it. so who knows. deep down i know i'll probably be the one to get checkmate, but i think it's going to take a lot of work and sadly a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$$$.
and i'll spend it. and then i'll share. and then i'll still have hundreds of assholes contacting me to let me know how much i suck for only getting one song, (or if it's true that only 2:30 of checkmate is out there) or only a piece of a song, what a let down it is, etc.
and there'll be just as many people singing my praises. that's just how this game goes i guess.
i usually end up in the world of GNR when i desperately need a reason to convince myself that it's worth being alive. as i type this right now, i just don't feel like that anymore. i've got lots of people coming from out of town to see me play this weekend and that is what is getting me out of bed at the moment.
and one day when there is nothing that is able to get me out of bed, i'm sure i'll be back searching for songs.
- emcitymisfit
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Re: Some asshat trying to trash MSL
Thanks MSL. You're a cool guy, and I don't give a shit what anyone says, a class act. Anyone that claims otherwise is, as Jericho says, a gelatinous sycophant and hypocrite.
Maybe its wishful thinking, but I have a feeling you have a couple aces up your sleeve that you're gonna reveal when the time is right.
Who was the jag that made that youtube video, anyway?
