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Intercourse
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Re: 2013

Intercourse wrote:

Furbrush, that was an awesome read.
Whether people agree with what you said or not, it was amazingly well written, hilarous in places and so SPOT ON in others.

Another stellar effort in Evo World.
Thanks a million!

Furbush
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Re: 2013

Furbush wrote:
Intercourse wrote:

Furbrush, that was an awesome read.
Whether people agree with what you said or not, it was amazingly well written, hilarous in places and so SPOT ON in others.

Another stellar effort in Evo World.
Thanks a million!

Thanks... I was at the tail end of the third day straight without any sleep. It just "came out"... I think I need to read it again...  10 16

Axlin16
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Re: 2013

Axlin16 wrote:

Alot of great posts by Furbush. I'm gonna be passing out Karmas.


And as for what John said about "forget radio", that's not the answer.


Yes and no. They still need radio. Look at Soundgarden. They went out and did a song for the casuals "Live To Rise", released it as a single, attached it to The Avengers soundtrack, and shipped it out the door for the masses who wanted more Black Hole Sun and Room A Thousand Years Wide-type songs. Then they turned around and seperated their actual King Animal album from the whole thing.

Brilliant move on their part. The casuals got their hit single to put the band out there, but the diehards got their "true sound" album.

Axl should be taking notes. Especially considering they just got back together after a 15-year break.

Axl could easily record a GN'R-ized "Are You With Me" track, or maybe even something really Whitesnake-cheesy with his vocals, ship it out the door and attach it to the next Michael Bay-flick, and it move like hot cakes on iTunes and stay #1 on rock radio for months, as long it's promoted.

Then turn around and drop Chinese II in stores and it be a fucking NIN/Praxis/Sex Tapes-album with his vocals on it, and it still move.


Look to Cornell, for I didn't believe in him, but he shall lead us.--Axlin

Furbush
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Re: 2013

Furbush wrote:
Axlin12 wrote:

Alot of great posts by Furbush. I'm gonna be passing out Karmas.

Thanks, man!!  5
(But, I didn't see any karma from you... wink tongue 16)


drop Chinese II in stores and it be a fucking NIN/Praxis/Sex Tapes-album with his vocals on it

track 1:

All cautions made...
Every chance was giv-ahhhnnnnn...
No effort spared...
To save what we had... 9

I'm an athiest, and I've prayed for this at least once a week for the last 4 years

faldor
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Re: 2013

faldor wrote:
Furbush wrote:
Axlin12 wrote:

Alot of great posts by Furbush. I'm gonna be passing out Karmas.

Thanks, man!!  5
(But, I didn't see any karma from you... wink tongue 16)


drop Chinese II in stores and it be a fucking NIN/Praxis/Sex Tapes-album with his vocals on it

track 1:

All cautions made...
Every chance was giv-ahhhnnnnn...
No effort spared...
To save what we had... 9

I'm an athiest, and I've prayed for this at least once a week for the last 4 years

The greatest 17 seconds of any song EVER.  Alright, maybe not.  But I do want to hear more, and I often say that same prayer. 22

Furbush
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Re: 2013

Furbush wrote:
faldor wrote:
Furbush wrote:
Axlin12 wrote:

Alot of great posts by Furbush. I'm gonna be passing out Karmas.

Thanks, man!!  5
(But, I didn't see any karma from you... wink tongue 16)


drop Chinese II in stores and it be a fucking NIN/Praxis/Sex Tapes-album with his vocals on it

track 1:

All cautions made...
Every chance was giv-ahhhnnnnn...
No effort spared...
To save what we had... 9

I'm an athiest, and I've prayed for this at least once a week for the last 4 years

The greatest 17 seconds of any song EVER.  Alright, maybe not.  But I do want to hear more, and I often say that same prayer. 22

Don't second guess yourself, baby...
You were right...

It is.   11

followed by some NIN/Praxis/SexTapes type deliciousness...

Oh good LORD.

See? That's all it takes.

You know... I'm not sure how many tracks they have left from those sessions... But, you gotta figure for every album's worth of material he releases from that "Chinese Democracy Vault", regardless of quality,  the negativity surrounding everything connected to that journey will shrink exponentially. Suddenly, the perception changes.. The public will erase this notion they have that he spent 10 years writing and recording 14 songs, and the casuals may actually cut him a break or two. I'm sure it's not all great... But, I'd bet that 80% of it is pretty fucking good.

Fuck it... drop an EP every 3 months or so until all of it is out... That should shut a lot of people up and once again prove something. That he may be a lot more prolific than anyone gives him credit for

And, as far as writing with this band going forward post CD II

He doesn't need to "bury Appetite"... It can't be done.  Also, quit trying to make "The Greatest Album Of All Time"... That ain't happening either. In fact... One could make a case for the idea of those two goals being one in the same. Fuck even trying to sound like Guns N' Roses... Let it just be what it is...

I'm not one to discourage ambition... But, Jesus...

Pretty much anything with Axl singing is gonna make it instantly recognizable to anyone. And, if it's got some rad hooks, a mean riff and a memorable guitar solo... Radio will be all over it.

Just do what comes natural... Don't over think it or over produce it.. Trust your instincts. We've all heard this band kick out jams for solo spots and such... They can put tunes together... Throw in a cover or two, and it could be over in no time... And something tells me it would have a legit hit (or 2) and sound more like "a real band" than Chinese Democracy.... Everyone wins.

axl dj bumblefoot fortus tommy frank

Re: 2013

johndivney wrote:
Axlin12 wrote:

Alot of great posts by Furbush. I'm gonna be passing out Karmas.

And as for what John said about "forget radio", that's not the answer.

Yes and no. They still need radio. Look at Soundgarden. They went out and did a song for the casuals "Live To Rise", released it as a single, attached it to The Avengers soundtrack, and shipped it out the door for the masses who wanted more Black Hole Sun and Room A Thousand Years Wide-type songs. Then they turned around and seperated their actual King Animal album from the whole thing.

Brilliant move on their part. The casuals got their hit single to put the band out there, but the diehards got their "true sound" album.

Axl should be taking notes. Especially considering they just got back together after a 15-year break.

Axl could easily record a GN'R-ized "Are You With Me" track, or maybe even something really Whitesnake-cheesy with his vocals, ship it out the door and attach it to the next Michael Bay-flick, and it move like hot cakes on iTunes and stay #1 on rock radio for months, as long it's promoted.

Then turn around and drop Chinese II in stores and it be a fucking NIN/Praxis/Sex Tapes-album with his vocals on it, and it still move.

Look to Cornell, for I didn't believe in him, but he shall lead us.--Axlin

firstly, 'the masses' weren't waiting on a new SG single. nobody gives a toss about them bar a random assortment of old guys & a few younger people interested in a dead genre's history.


on topic: what is it you want from GnR? it seems like you want them to reach for/attain mass popularity again.
that shit means fuck all to me.

all i want is music that is worthy of the name GnR, music that lives up to that name.
y'know me, it's all about the music, man. wink

imo one of the worst things they could do is try & court casual/popular audience. if it happens by accident that's fine but don't go out w/the idea 'oh we gotta make this amount of songs playable on radio'. that'd just be another betrayal of the original ideas.
i mean it was bad enough Axl chasing trends w/the bulk of CD but at least it was some kind of honest endeavour on his part which has always been the case in GnR's music. if they start actively trying to build material for a pop audience it'd be another crime against the name.


nobody needs radio. the internet is the radio. soundcloud the fuck out of a new tune if you want it heard. (of course axl doesn't want anything heard so it's really ALL moot, if he even has anything to be heard).


the ONLY way GnR will sell records is if Slash is on it. that way it'll get promoted & get exposed. i seriously doubt even if CD or the vault had a song as catchy as SCoM it would breakthru. quality doesn't sell itself to a popular audience. hype sells. there is no hype w/o Slash's name attached.

Furbush
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Re: 2013

Furbush wrote:
johndivney wrote:

on topic: what is it you want from GnR? it seems like you want them to reach for/attain mass popularity again.
that shit means fuck all to me.

all i want is music that is worthy of the name GnR, music that lives up to that name.
y'know me, it's all about the music, man. wink

I think you guys know that's really all I want... Music.

My multi-post rant from a couple of days ago was what needs to happen in order for Guns N' Roses to continue to function as a touring/recording artist in the United States... And be taken seriously.

Now, I'm just saying put out some Goddamn music.... And continue to do so... Frequently...


imo one of the worst things they could do is try & court casual/popular audience. if it happens by accident that's fine but don't go out w/the idea 'oh we gotta make this amount of songs playable on radio'. that'd just be another betrayal of the original ideas.
i mean it was bad enough Axl chasing trends w/the bulk of CD but at least it was some kind of honest endeavor on his part which has always been the case in GnR's music. if they start actively trying to build material for a pop audience it'd be another crime against the name.

I think the point Axlin and I are trying to make, is that with the guys he has in the band right now.....it's entirely within the realm of possibility to make great music that could catch on with a wider audience...

Without pandering to teenagers....

By no means am I suggesting this:

I'm saying music like the songs Axlin mentioned would be the kind of material the current band would write together naturally...

They have a Fall To Pieces in them, for sure.

And to say that a larger audience than most of old Guns' contemporaries isn't possible, short of a reunion, just isn't realistic. CD would have caught on big time had it come out in '02 and/or been handled properly...Or, if he had done what Baz was claiming he was gonna do.. Dropped 4 albums. Hit singles or not... It would have made a big fucking splash... At least bigger than the "small turd hitting the toilet water" splash it actually made... And.. like him or hate him, if Axl cut down on the reclusive, top secret, "perfectionist" horseshit.... New GN'R would have legs beyond the diehards... Going on 5 years after CD, they still manage to draw bigger crowds than New Skid Row. If he wasn't such a dick about the old lineup, They could definitely have a NIN/BLS-like following....

The hypothetical NIN/Praxis/SexTapes/Axl CD2 dream scenario is hardly courting anyone except me. 16


soundcloud the fuck out of a new tune if you want it heard.

I've been saying this for years... Or, at least something similar.
Once you realize how easy it is for anyone to put music out at any time, the more infuriating it becomes listening to Rose point fingers when people ask him why he can't put out new stuff...

the ONLY way GnR will sell records is if Slash is on it. that way it'll get promoted & get exposed. i seriously doubt even if CD or the vault had a song as catchy as SCoM it would breakthru. quality doesn't sell itself to a popular audience. hype sells. there is no hype w/o Slash's name attached.

Using that rationale, Velvet Revolver would have never landed a record deal, and would still be playing clubs in Los Angeles... It's like saying VR was/is useless without Axl.

Nobody sells records, really anyway.. Unless they're Country Music stars... Or Top 40 fluff. And, let's face some hard facts... Even a full blown original lineup reunion would not be met with that kind of popularity. It would, at BEST be on the same level as the Soundgarden reunion or the new Aerosmith record... My goal here is to have Axl/New GN'R attain some respect outside of our little community, and function like a real band. Not just play at a Las Vegas casino once in a while, tour Europe, and be the subject of a million "what ifs" and lame jokes...

And, I meant what I said about "The Alumni"... It's a band, Axl... Not a University... Knock it off with that shit. You sound like a douchebag.

killingvector
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Re: 2013

Forget radio. Sell out arenas instead of playing 4 quarter full arenas.

To do that, bring back the rock n' roll sound that made G&R famous. A great, nostalgia driven rock n' roll single. It doesn't have to be a to 10 radio single, but simply one that makes people notice the band again and their ability to make it work.  When G&R tries to be something they aren't, it ends up sounding like your dad humming Nirvana or Linkin Park.

Re: 2013

johndivney wrote:
Furbush wrote:

I'm not one to discourage ambition... But, Jesus...

Pretty much anything with Axl singing is gonna make it instantly recognizable to anyone.

the time has come, hell the time has probably passed by, where axl should just 'shut up & sing'. that is one of the biggest wastes, the years w/o his voice. look at rod stewart for example, amazing voice & he used it & still does & still people get off on it.
axl's got an amazing voice but he refused to use it. maybe he couldn't due to his head but it still doesn't make the wasted yrs any easier.
he should have a far bigger catalogue of great vocal performances behind him. but his reluctance to do anything robbed him & everyone of his voice. he should just shut up & sing & stop worrying so much about control.
he should do this & he should do that.. he should he should he should!! the fucking waster!

Furbush wrote:

Using that rationale, Velvet Revolver would have never landed a record deal, and would still be playing clubs in Los Angeles... It's like saying VR was/is useless without Axl.

well no. in the context of GnR only, you put slash on the record & the hype & interest swell. for all intents and purposes slash is identifiable as GnR as axl is. it's easier to sell/promote his image & the GnR brand than it is VR or his solo work or GnR w/o him. it just is. it's countless the amount of times said, 'it's not really GnR w/o slash'. you get all those people & dissenters back w/slash on the record.

tbh there's no justifiable reason why slash isn't in the band. personality clash aside, this line-up especially. the common denominator to the million 'what if's' is slash. you put his name on the record it just generates much more interest.

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