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elevendayempire
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Re: Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon'

apex-twin wrote:
Sky Dog wrote:

Hard to gauge how someone really feels when there is no communication with the outside world.

No rants on stage, Twitter or in press releases? Axl surely makes his ire well-known. He's been a lot more appeased now.

"Not In This Lifetime is now widely believed to be the second-highest-grossing tour of all time, having generated more than $500 million since it began three years ago."

Sky Dog wrote:

I wonder how he feels about the wonder twins and their focus on “side projects” instead of 100% Gnr like him?

Likely not much.

They'd need a week to record stuff which he'd tinker with from months to years. It's better for them to do their own thing while he muses on his next step.

As for Fortus, somebody should tell him Axl never knew if soon's the word tongue

It's a bit disingenuous to paint Axl as the one thing holding the band back, when there were an awful lot of complicating factors snarling up the release of Chinese Democracy (and CDII). Most of which were tied to the fact that he was trying to push forward with the new-look GN'R while management and the record company wanted the old, iconic band members back. Demos handed back with a shrug and an "eh, could do better", muted enthusiasm from the suits and the PRs – even Axl's defensive pushback and refusal to do promo was ultimately a response to the suits' not throwing their weight behind the album.

And he can turn around material quickly; IRS, TWAT, Madagascar, The Blues, Rhiad, Chinese Democracy and Catcher were all basically written in a few weeks/months of recording in 1999. Structurally, they remained the same bar some tinkering around the edges (which was, again, prompted by producers and execs sending it back to Axl and saying "Eh, could do with some work" when the subtext was "lose the NIN guy and get Slash back"). Shackler's Revenge had, by all accounts, a pretty short turnaround time.

We (pretty much) know Axl has all the songs from Chinese Democracy II ready to go bar some overdubs from Slash and Duff, which they could rattle out in a week if needs be. The sticking point is Slash and Duff (and Fortus, and why not Dizzy, Melissa and Frank? – remember Pitman wrote the riff for Madagascar) writing riffs for Axl to add lyrics to. But again, remember that he blasted through lyrics for those early Chinese Democracy songs – which were handed to him as riffs – pretty quickly; and without the suits intentionally slowing things up I suspect the creative process will be a lot smoother this time around.

Re: Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon'

Sky Dog wrote:

My 8 song Chi Dem....Chinese Democracy-Street of Dreams-Twat-Catcher-Riad-Irs-Madagascar-Prostitute...good album in my opinion...all songs likely done and ready to roll by 2000 to 2001. axl

apex-twin
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Re: Richard: 'Get An Album Out Soon'

apex-twin wrote:
elevendayempire wrote:

It's a bit disingenuous to paint Axl as the one thing holding the band back, when there were an awful lot of complicating factors snarling up the release of Chinese Democracy (and CDII).

There's more to the story, for sure. My remark was merely made in jest, referring to the UYI recordings, where the basic tracks were laid out quickly and Ax then spent a lot of time just tweaking (November Rain, anyone?).

elevendayempire wrote:

We (pretty much) know Axl has all the songs from Chinese Democracy II ready to go bar some overdubs from Slash and Duff, which they could rattle out in a week if needs be.

Objectively, yes. This seems to be the case, for all we know.


Having said all that, Ax owns the band name, the assets, the works. He & Merck plunged into the 2006 tour to make money to cover recording costs and to hopefully push the label to an agreement. It was, all n' all, a gamble that left the fans high n' dry with a March 6th release date. That stalemate was only resolved by Azoff a year later.

And what happened in 2002? Ax had the RTB/Zutaut album version in the can, and he mounted the big comeback tour (in the works some time since the RIR3 show). Only there was to be no album and the tour was cancelled. Riots, poor ticket sales (partially due to bad routing), Ax deciding he's sick and (apparently) his handlers holding out hope until the warm-up acts wrapped up in Philly. Just another example of things getting out of hand in a lousy way.

Either Ax took some dodgy council, between Yoda and the yes-man(agement), or his anxieties got the better of him time and again, so that he repeatedly found the band effort compromised. The label has surely been a part of the problem with their one-eyed approach, but that hardly exonerates Ax for all the screw-ups and mismanagement that have surrounded this band for decades.

I believe things are different now only when another album drops or leaks.

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