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- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect
The Diamondhead Records Cassette Tape Archive
https://archive.org/details/diamondheadcassettes
An auction of tapes from a chain of stores in Texas has resulted in stuff being uploaded to Archive, It will be stuff you know, but in some cases better sounding quality, and in some cases worse. The link above will take you to the tapes submitted and contain other bands too but some interesting GN'R ones I have posted below
https://archive.org/details/Guns_N_Roses_UYI_Demos_1990 Last song is a version of Bad Apples I don't believe I have heard
https://archive.org/details/Bullet_Boys … _Demo_1985
https://archive.org/details/Guns_N_Rose … on_Promo_2
https://archive.org/details/GNR_Illusio … 1984-01-21
Those last 2 have interview clips with Duff, Sorum and Axl, some of which I believe are out there, some of which may not be
https://archive.org/details/Guns_N_Rose … Rain_Edits
There are also an assortment of live bootlegs that don't interest me and I expect are out there in better quality
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect
Thanks for posting this Shackler!! Super cool !!!
SLASH 1998 for nickelodeon
Re: Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect
I don't remember that version of Bad Apples either. Weird.
I had forgotten about how much Sentimental Movie sucked. Same with Too Much. That's literal bottom of the barrel shit right there.
Why are Move to the City and Jungle on this? Did they briefly consider rerecording these for UYI?!?
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect
I don't remember that version of Bad Apples either. Weird.
I had forgotten about how much Sentimental Movie sucked. Same with Too Much. That's literal bottom of the barrel shit right there.
Why are Move to the City and Jungle on this? Did they briefly consider rerecording these for UYI?!?
I believe these compilation tapes are one's people had floating around back then, it's not like these are direct 'Axl Advance copies' type things. They seem to mostly be (not including UYI promo) tapes that fans had with demos on. So in the minus column that means they obviously have things that we all know but in the plus column is it means they are lifted from a different source/tape and in some instances may be better quality than versions normally shared online.
I try to keep an eye on this stuff as I know there are Arkeen tapes out there he floated to record labels, and there are still songs we don't have from those.
As far as Bad Apples goes even Zombux hasn't heard that version and he would know better than most if it had been out there before
Re: Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect
It's interesting that all the other demos on the tape with that version of Bad Apples date from 1985/86. It's certain that Bad Apples doesn't go so far back based on the information we have but also on the lyrics alone.
Just a wild guess: a demo of Bad Apples had leaked on the radio in late May/early June 1991. The version on the web.archive tape sounds to me like it could have been recorded from the radio, and someone/fans put that recording on to a tape with unreleased pre-AFD demos that were circulating by then and some of them were titles rumoured to be included on the next GN'R album, so they were mislabeled as UYI demos.
- Shacklermyrye
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Re: Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect
It's interesting that all the other demos on the tape with that version of Bad Apples date from 1985/86. It's certain that Bad Apples doesn't go so far back based on the information we have but also on the lyrics alone.
Just a wild guess: a demo of Bad Apples had leaked on the radio in late May/early June 1991. The version on the web.archive tape sounds to me like it could have been recorded from the radio, and someone/fans put that recording on to a tape with unreleased pre-AFD demos that were circulating by then and some of them were titles rumoured to be included on the next GN'R album, so they were mislabeled as UYI demos.
I forgot about this. I can definitely believe the song might have leaked on the radio and fans managed to tape it. Unless fans recall radio playing it, our best bet for proof would be finding an article in a rock mag reporting the leak, which I kind of doubt they would, as gnr would have gone for them legally and sent C&D letters.
- Mike McGann
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I did manage to tape “Bad Apples” when it aired on our local AOR station in 1991….they frontsold it as “One Bad Apple”. Sat by my stereo for hours and got it. I took the tape to an independent record store in my area and we played it through their sound system a few times. The customers loved it.
A day or two later a DJ came on and said they had been ordered not to play it anymore.
Re: Tapes of old demo's uploaded to Archive. UYI promo interviews ect
Blackstar wrote:It's interesting that all the other demos on the tape with that version of Bad Apples date from 1985/86. It's certain that Bad Apples doesn't go so far back based on the information we have but also on the lyrics alone.
Just a wild guess: a demo of Bad Apples had leaked on the radio in late May/early June 1991. The version on the web.archive tape sounds to me like it could have been recorded from the radio, and someone/fans put that recording on to a tape with unreleased pre-AFD demos that were circulating by then and some of them were titles rumoured to be included on the next GN'R album, so they were mislabeled as UYI demos.
I forgot about this. I can definitely believe the song might have leaked on the radio and fans managed to tape it. Unless fans recall radio playing it, our best bet for proof would be finding an article in a rock mag reporting the leak, which I kind of doubt they would, as gnr would have gone for them legally and sent C&D letters.
There was an article in the Los Angeles Times (I had that in mind when the theory occurred to me):
To Geffen, the Leak of 'Bad Apple' Has a Rotten Core
June 09, 1991|PATRICK GOLDSTEINHow did a number of major rock stations across the country, including Cleveland's top-rated WMMS-FM, obtain an unauthorized early copy of a new song from Guns N' Roses' long-awaited new Geffen Records album?
Geffen execs, who filed cease-and-desist orders against the stations last month forcing them to stop playing the track, "Bad Apple," now say the song wasn't leaked to radio by just anybody. It came from a rival record company promotion man, who gave the bootleg tape to the stations in exchange for promises of airplay for one of his current singles.
Excuse us--but who was saying "Hit Men" was all an exaggeration?
"We have sworn testimony from radio station staffers saying the Guns N' Roses tape came from a Mercury Records national promotion staffer named Douglas Burton," explained Al Coury, general manager of Geffen Records.
"It's bad enough that we had radio stations playing a rough mix of a song that wasn't finished--and was months away from release. But then to have the leak come from an employee at another record company, who tried to use it to get airplay for one of his acts, is just outrageous. It's like falling off a bridge--and then have someone run you over too!"
According to Norman Beil, Geffen's general counsel, the label sent a letter Monday to Mercury Records, saying it had "definitively linked" Burton to the GNR tape leak. "We've asked Mercury to provide us with information explaining who he obtained the tape from and who he distributed copies to," Beil said. "We are also asking Mercury to reimburse us for legal fees and any expenses incurred in obtaining the cooperation of the radio stations."
Asked what Geffen would do if Mercury refuses to cooperate, Beil responded: "We'd sue them--and we'd sue them very quickly."
Mercury co-president Mike Bone refused to comment on the Geffen charges, except to say that as of Wednesday, he had not received any letter from Geffen about any Mercury links to the leak.
In the past, record companies have often threatened legal action--or sought temporary restraining orders preventing radio stations from playing pre-release copies of a superstar band's new product. But in virtually all instances, the tapes were final versions of material that surfaced only a few days--or perhaps a week--before the official release date. (Guns N' Roses' album is still being mixed and isn't scheduled for release until early September.)
However, industry insiders say the Geffen legal threat aimed at Mercury represents an escalation beyond the usual executive feuds and media backbiting that often occurs between record labels. "This probably is precedent setting," Coury said. "But we had no reservations about it. By distributing these tapes, you cheat our artist out of the opportunity to present their finished work to their fans. We felt we had to take a stand."
Coury pointed out that Mercury is part of the PolyGram family of record labels, which also includes Island Records, who recently threatened legal action against bootleggers selling pirated copies of an unfinished U2 album. "It's very ironic, to say the least, that they've had the same problem we've had and yet they still have an employee who's giving pirated tapes of our band to radio stations. Of all people, they should know what a serious matter it is to steal someone's work and present it to the public before it's finished."
