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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » "Blood in the Water" (NEW idea discussion) » 624 weeks ago

Two possibilities:

1.  It's from the remix album; many parts are clearly from Prostitute.  Vocals could be new, specifically for this project, or sampled from an unreleased song

2.  Someone has unreleased GnR material and used the multitracks to "remix" an unreleased song in some sort of attempt to get someone to trade for other unreleased material without actually "leaking" an unreleased song

Definitely one thing everyone agrees on, it's Axl singing

#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » Slash in CD sessions 2001? Illusions reunion in 96? » 626 weeks ago

To be fair, DJ has never written with someone even close to Axl's talent before. 

If I had to take a guess I'd say the current lineup will make a more straight ahead hard rock album that the general public claims to want from Guns.  It will be interesting to see what happens.

#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard Fortus interview » 626 weeks ago

You can't take away writing credits from someone who actually wrote the song without getting hammered by lawsuits.  Re-recording their parts doesn't legally erase their right to a songwriting credit.  Guys like Josh Freese, Paul Huge and Buckethead had been gone for 4 - 9 years when CD came out and still received writing credits on the album.  I don't see that changing with this release.

#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » Richard Fortus interview » 626 weeks ago

Ron laid down parts on all of the existing CD era tracks back in 2006 or 2007 (can't remember which year exactly)

The CD era stuff has been done for a long time.  Maybe they had DJ play on some of the tracks in the past 3 years (including last year). 

Also, re-recording peoples parts doesn't mean they won't get paid.  They still get paid as songwriters which is where the vast majority of the royalties come from anyway.

#5 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Gotta Love Adler: RS Interview "I'm done with him" » 626 weeks ago

Yeah, not buying that he'll never talk about Axl or a reunion again

#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » Howard Stern/Eddie Trunk on GNR » 626 weeks ago

OK, so he didn't show up because of Slash.  The original letter was fairly clear that he didn't show because the results of him showing/no showing were going to be negative in one way or another, that he had no desire for a reunion performance with the old band, ever, even in a one off setting, etc. 

I think it's outlined pretty clearly in the first letter even if he didn't flat out say "I'm not coming because of Slash"

Roger Waters and Paul McCartney skipped their induction ceremonies because of feuds with their former bandmates as well.  It's not exactly unprecedented.

#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » ASHBA Says 'Genius' AXL ROSE Has Three Albums' Worth Of Music Recorded » 674 weeks ago

Scabbie wrote:

Hang on, one minute 'we're working on songs every day' the next minute he can't wait to sit down and write?

Not contradictory at all.  He's doing what Ron did 4 years ago:  laying down tracks over the Bucket/Robin songs

The thing is that he's right; Axl is a musical genius of sorts, and I'm sure he has some amazing material that has never been recorded.  It's like Axl playing November Rain to someone in 1986.  Or Axl playing Estranged to someone in 1989.  There aren't many rock musicians who can make piano ballad as great/epic as Axl can/has.  In fact since Freddie and Elton left their prime nobody else even comes close.  Listen to the 2002 NR piano intro (not Prostitute); this is may be Atlas Shrugged or whatever, but it is an absolutely beautiful piece of music that most people in pop music couldn't comprehend at this point (not that it's hard to play, it just has a grace/elegance that is completely lacking in modern rock/pop in this era).  Skip to 0:35 to hear what I'm talking about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0zLzj-eWnQ

#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » Not sure I agree with Axl being a "perfectionist" » 679 weeks ago

Rather than try to diagnose Axl with a specific disorder I think it's probably best to just take a look at him as a product of personality and circumstances

-Had a traumatic childhood fraught with abuse

-Is by nature a quiet and shy person

-Due to a combo of natural personality and childhood has tremendous insecurity, trust issues and sensitivity to criticism

-Went from being a nobody to being one of the biggest rock stars of all time within a 4 year span

So you have a guy who is unstable, emotionally vulnerable, and extremely talented who managed to go from zero to the top of the world within 4 year largely as the "brains" behind the operation (forget the Chinese Democracy debacle and remember that he largely "called his shot" and was the de-facto leader of the band from 86-89 when their meteoric rise occurred)

Following this you had a guy who was unstable, emotionally vulnerable, extremely talented AND who had the wealth and record sales to do whatever the hell he wanted, AND believed that his success was strictly the product of his own talent and "vision"

So when everyone quit and he was feeling completely betrayed and at this point was massively criticized by the media/general public, he also thought he knew it all because he had been the leader of a band that went from zero to legend in four years

At the end of the day you have a guy believes he is 100% right and extremely talented but has to reconcile that with the fact that he is reviled by the public and the media, and cannot understand or accept the negativity

What he needed to do from day one when he decided to continue GNR without Slash & Co. was give a double middle finger to everyone and bask in the publicity (negative and positive) surrounding the new band

He should've gone on TV and told everyone he was the genius behind Guns N' Roses, and that Buckethead was a better guitarist than Slash, and that he did not give a flying fuck whether anyone accepted him using the name, it's his band name and it's his decision and people can either accept it or go fuck themselves.  Instead he continued the band with little to no defense, and the negative festered.  He was an easy target because he never defended himself.  And as the timeline started to become ludicrous the criticism and negativity surrounding the album only grew.  Then the 2002 VMAs occurred and that was the death knell.  If the 2006 or 2009 Axl had showed up with the 2002 band they would've blown the doors off the joint and he would've been at worst grudgingly accepted and possibly showered in praise.  But he showed up out of shape and covered in jerseys and dreads and Botox and got killed

The sad irony is that he could've released mostly the same album in 2003 with the same people who actually made the music, and when the music industry was still in decent shape, and achieved some success which would've led to further album rather quickly.  Instead he released an album that never had a chance to succeed (at least in the US) and now has no backing from the label for future releases

#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Revisiting the Billboard Interview » 777 weeks ago

madagas wrote:
shotgunblues1978 wrote:
Axlin08 wrote:

Precisely Olorin, which creates an even scarier thought. If in Axl's mind, he views the situation with Universal as "cutthroat loan sharks", and "no help", and "no support", when he was given probably the biggest budget and biggest ROPE of ANY artist in history for CD... and Axl still looks at it that way.

The thing that most people don't realize, however, is that out of the infamous $13 million, the old Geffen Records handed out $10 million of that back in 1997.  That label got swallowed up by UMG/Interscope in (I believe) 1998, no later than 1999.  The people who greenlit CD with the exorbitant budget were long gone by the time the first version of the album was complete

Also, he was not given the biggest budget ever for CD.  Mariah Carey signed a 4 album $80 million contract with Virgin.  Her first album tanked and they spent $28 million to buy her out.  So essentially they paid $48 million for one album that flopped

Michael Jackson's Invincible cost over $30 million in recording costs alone.  A lot of big pop artists get $10 million advances (or at least they did back in 1997). 

Either way, there's not much indication that Jimmy Iovine and his regime cared much about CD, and you can't really blame them.  It wasn't their album, or their problem.  They didn't greenlight it or hand out the huge advance, the fired execs of a dead label did.  So to them it was never a priority, they were interested in their own projects which is the way record execs always have been and always will be.   Which is why they probably just wanted to get the album out and make as much as they could without spending anything

From an accounting standpoint, it was a success.  From that perspective, revenues generated were much greater than cost of goods sold and they didn't have to spend any money promoting it domestically.

now somebody is on to something.....however, in the end, so far, it has not been the success it could have been. The overall goals/objectives for this type of release were not met.:(  ...I'll let you define your objectives but anyone will be hard pressed to look at the big picture and call it a success. Maybe Axl can try again with another approach, but for now, it failed on a lot of levels.

From a PR standpoint is was not successful.  From the executives' business perspective it was a success, they made a profit and posted net income, not net loss, from the release, 10 years after the investment was made, after everyone said that this album would lose money, those guys look smart

I'm sure Axl and Co. are pissed but the record execs figured out a way to make money off the thing which is their job.  Axl's job is to make music, theirs is to make money.  The Best Buy deal ensured that UMG wouldn't care about promo.  They made the same selling 600,000 in the US as they would have if they'd sold 1.5 million, they look like geniuses to the shareholders.  Axl may be pissed but to them he's just another employee.  They made money off CD and continue to rake in dough off the GNR back catalogue.  They don't give a shit what he thinks

#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Revisiting the Billboard Interview » 777 weeks ago

Axlin08 wrote:

Precisely Olorin, which creates an even scarier thought. If in Axl's mind, he views the situation with Universal as "cutthroat loan sharks", and "no help", and "no support", when he was given probably the biggest budget and biggest ROPE of ANY artist in history for CD... and Axl still looks at it that way.

The thing that most people don't realize, however, is that out of the infamous $13 million, the old Geffen Records handed out $10 million of that back in 1997.  That label got swallowed up by UMG/Interscope in (I believe) 1998, no later than 1999.  The people who greenlit CD with the exorbitant budget were long gone by the time the first version of the album was complete

Also, he was not given the biggest budget ever for CD.  Mariah Carey signed a 4 album $80 million contract with Virgin.  Her first album tanked and they spent $28 million to buy her out.  So essentially they paid $48 million for one album that flopped

Michael Jackson's Invincible cost over $30 million in recording costs alone.  A lot of big pop artists get $10 million advances (or at least they did back in 1997). 

Either way, there's not much indication that Jimmy Iovine and his regime cared much about CD, and you can't really blame them.  It wasn't their album, or their problem.  They didn't greenlight it or hand out the huge advance, the fired execs of a dead label did.  So to them it was never a priority, they were interested in their own projects which is the way record execs always have been and always will be.   Which is why they probably just wanted to get the album out and make as much as they could without spending anything

From an accounting standpoint, it was a success.  From that perspective, revenues generated were much greater than cost of goods sold and they didn't have to spend any money promoting it domestically.

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