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#1 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 2 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
Axl S wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Nope, but most of them are smart enough to keep it once they have it.  Like usual you're not understanding the point, but that's the norm for you.


This is the shit I was referring to earlier. You’re all at each other’s throats with snippy and snide comments that frankly there’s no need for.

If you all refrained a bit and dialled it back a few notches from 11 I reckon the conversation would be a lot better.

... also no Trump supporter/apologiser has explained why he isn’t compromised despite clear evidence that he is. Once again if he thinks tapes exist, regardless of whether they exist or not, surely that makes him “blackmailable” and therefore compromises?


Are you for real?  Mitch does nothing but insult people and shit post. You can’t find a single intelligent and factually accurate post from him. He openly celebrates being a “fuck Trump” poster. He adds nothing to the discussion and can’t even enact basic reading comprehension. 

I’ll attack anyone’s intelligence or ideas all day long when they give reason to. But I don’t attack people personally. Jason and Mitch repeatedly attack my military service, and PaSnow joins them to attack my weight (something they have no basis on) and calling me a virgin.

Jason and PaSnow spent years spreading the collusion conspiracy and called Trump and anyone who didn’t share their fetish as traitors. Did you read Mueller’s report?  When the special counsel says no American colluded with Russia, not a single one, you don’t get to keep pushing your conspiracy theory.

There aren’t any tapes. The IM PaSnow shared made no mention of piss tapes, you have no evidence of piss tapes. And the idea of a piss tape is so fucking absurd, you need extraordinary evidence to even warrant consideration of the possibility.

You have 3 posters that are spreading bonafide conspiracy theories. If the Special Counsel whom they claimed was under attack for 2 years states there was no collusion, there was no collusion. You don’t get to keep claiming collusion and ignore reality. Jason is a bonafide 9/11 truther who linked Alex Jones articles for years. PaSnow isn’t far off with his Russian truther collusion nonsense.

So yea, when people are spreading a conspiracy theory that the SC spent 2 years investigating and unequivocally denies any collusion happened, they need to stand down. Not double down and personally attack anyone who doesn’t share their conspiracy.

Those other posters attacking you are also bad. I was just suggesting everyone tone the agression down - all this stuff can be discussed and debated without it.

I don't know if the piss tape is real, nor did I suggest it is. The report doesn't say it exists. What the report does state explicitly is that the President's fixer was deliberately working to stem the flow of tapes. Whether those tapes actually exist or what they contain doesn't matter if the target of the blackmail thinks they're real.

The report reads to me as pretty damning. All it really suggests is that there is not enough evidence beyond a shadow of a doubt to push for charges of criminal conspiracy of any Americans. That's actually pretty narrow. The report also outlined severe obstruction efforts, a lack of cooperation and, the destruction of evidence by the Trump admin - it even states it's conclusions could change if more evidence came to light. It was anything but an exonneration.

Where I live we have in Scots law we have three possible verdicts for a criminal trial: Guilty, Not Guilty and Not Proven. Obviously in the US those legally don't exist but the report reads more like a Not Proven verdict than a Not Guilty. When it comes to National Security and impeachment surely the bar should be Not Guilty...

#2 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 3 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
mitchejw wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

The smart people always win.  I'll try to make it simpler for you:  The question is do you want to keep being dumb? 

The rich aren't rich because they are dumb.  The people really in power (not the politicians) aren't the ones in power because they are dumb.  You do nothing but complain about how bad things are, but your solution is always to count on other dumb people to solve the problem for you.  Which one of us is dreaming?

Oh...you’re one of those...rich people are smart types?

You don’t have to be smart to make money in this country.

Next...

Nope, but most of them are smart enough to keep it once they have it.  Like usual you're not understanding the point, but that's the norm for you.


This is the shit I was referring to earlier. You’re all at each other’s throats with snippy and snide comments that frankly there’s no need for.

If you all refrained a bit and dialled it back a few notches from 11 I reckon the conversation would be a lot better.

... also no Trump supporter/apologiser has explained why he isn’t compromised despite clear evidence that he is. Once again if he thinks tapes exist, regardless of whether they exist or not, surely that makes him “blackmailable” and therefore compromises?

#3 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 4 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I agree Axl S. I.think we take it in stride tho. I'll admit at times its gotten testy but its been generally tolerable imho

I dont think Randall, SG,  or buzz have major complaints

Some of you I guess. Mitch, Randall and buzz need to turn down the heat imo.

On topic: I am still shocked no one seems to care that the report confirms that October 2016 candidate Trump thought the Russians had compromising tapes of him and his fixer Cohen was dispatched to stem their flow.

1) He'll only think those tapes exist if he did that stuff (Although if he did, I don't care. Each to their own, whatever floats his boat)
2) Even if they don't exist, he thinks they do. So surely that means he's compromised?

Can someone who defends this shit and says the Russia stuff is nothing, please explain the above? This is confirmed fact now.

#4 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 4 weeks ago

Why is no one alarmed that the report confrims in the month before the election Trump thinks/thought that Russia have compromising tapes of him and that it's on the record his personal fixer, Cohen, was actively trying to "stop the flow of tapes"? Like the report spells this out clear as day.

Whether these tapes exist or not, wouldn't that mean he's compromised as he is totally blackmailable? Regardless of whether the SCO were able to establish proof without a doubt of a criminal conspiracy, surely this should be alarming?

Also, why can't you guys just all chill out a bit? You all seem unable to have a conversation with each other without being snide and horrible.

#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » Happy 10th anniversary, Chinese Democracy! » 17 weeks ago

To my mind the best thing to happen with the vault would just be a huge release for curious hardcore fans. If a song includes a different version from each lineup (96-99,00-04, 06-08, 08-14) just include the best possible master and mix of each of those and make it a big mutli disc set.

Even if there are ideas, riffs, whole songs used by the current lineup for a new album that will still be fine. Just get this shit out there.

#7 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 38 weeks ago

As a foregin viewer and big(ly) fan, I've gotta say that this whole thing (from when he announced his candidacy until now) has been some of the most compelling television that the United States has ever produced. And the US makes a lot of good shit.

Lots of twists, turns. Some light comedy and long running plot threads like the pee tape make this show compulsive viewing. 10/10 would repeat binge on Netflix.

#8 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 44 weeks ago

ZeroMortals7 wrote:
Niterain wrote:
ZeroMortals7 wrote:

A promise was made. A promise everybody will have all leaks. Up to this day we don't have all leaks.

No promise was made. Ppl didn’t stop masturbating in the shower. You won’t get a single leak until you begin jerking off in your bedroom. The cleaners are sick of cleaning up your semen. Quit it!

promises were made. but it's funny when some have what others don't they hang it over them.

No one here has this shit! Please just stop.

You just rattle on about leaks and hoarders non stop in circles. It's annoying.

Find something else in your life, other than remix leaks from a now defunct band.

#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » LEAKS THREAD » 44 weeks ago

apex-twin wrote:

We call them hoarders.

They are a strange people, who cling on to rare things they have come to possess. They themselves feel special because of the attention their prizes bring.

Alas, someone else made those things and the hoarders have only the possession itself to hold on to. They think sharing those things devalues their person.

That's why some paintings are so expensive; some rich saps need an ego boost. Unreleased Guns songs fill a similar void.

Feeling big because they have other people's art under lock and key. Too bad. roll

They hoard them because they hold value and can be traded amongst each other for other tracks they don't have. Not to feel important.

#10 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 45 weeks ago

Eh, at least you guys have a government. At the moment ours is falling apart.

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