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#1 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I still think the Senate might go weak and vote to not impeach. McConnells is a pure dick. Dems need Bolton to testify to nail this shut.

Friend of mine posted saying Trumps Walter Reed visit was a flase flag, and he thinks the GOP will fore him to resign saying Dems ruined his health. Pure guess but no more fucked up that this Presidency already.

The Stone case is interesting, hope that gets bigger. I do think Pence, Pompeo & Mulvaney are obvi guilty. Pence needs to go down with the ship, I want this President Pelosi thing to grow legs, haha, I will ctfo.

There are a great deal of prominent Republicans that are outraged and disappointed with their party right now on Twitter. They're calling Trump a criminal and their party cowards. Unfortunately none of them happen to be in the Senate or Congress.

The Walter Reed thing was weird. It surely wasn't a routine physical. I've also read that theory. I still could never imagine Trump resigning. The presidency insulates him from criminal liability which he'll surely face once he's out.

Stone case will most certainly open more things up and has already started to. I'm curious if Stone will go out like a gangster or sing like Cohen before he's sentenced to prison. One thing is clear, as Sonland said "They were all in the loop." They all knew what Trump was doing. Bolton in particular calling it a "Drug deal" and got the hell outa dodge before he got bogged down in it. Pence, Mulvaney etc were all in the know.

#2 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

3.  I don’t think this is unique or special. Biden literally did what Trump was accused of.  Obama was caught on a mic telling Dmitrev he’d “have more flexibility after the election.”  It’s what anyone does at that stage.

Do I think it’s “good” that it happens, no. The media campaign congressional democrats have launched since day one turns me off to anything they say. It’s removed their credibility, and this impeachment trial is so partisan, the notion it should be taken serious is laughable. That’s the great tragedy, this is what our government has become.

Biden and Obama are irrelevant to this.

Your media claims and "partisan" complains are also irrelevant.

Trump violated the constitution via bribery and extortion. We have several sworn testimonies (including trump appointees and Pence's assistant) that confirm it. Trump also admitted it and so did Giuliani on tv.

You're either are ok with that or you aren't. And it sounds like you're cool with it.

Ultimately its not about trump, it's about you. You've deceived yourself, and no amount of truth can ever get you to admit it.

buzzsaw wrote:

Some people never learn...

See the last sentence above, that applies to you as well.

#3 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

misterID wrote:

Giuliani is a dumpster fire. I Mean, can we impeach him of something?

No doubt he'll be in trouble soon enough.

#4 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

I  think one of the more alarming things that happened this week was Fiona Hill's testimony debunking the counter story that Ukraine interfered in our election. She essentially told Nunes that he was repeating Russian propaganda with his Ukraine election meddling accusations.

Furthermore our elected officials, to include the GOP of course, were all briefed on this. They were specifically told it wasn't true and that Russia was pumping out this disinformation. Yet our president and the republicans continue to stick to this narrative knowing damn well that it's Russian propaganda.

I find this disturbing. We literally have one political party (and their media outlets) ignoring our intelligence briefings and repeating conspiracy theories created by Putin. I bet he never imagined he would be so successful, but he probably never imagined the GOP would become the traitor party either.

Dangerous, depressing and a serious national security risk.

And breaking tonight, which is a bombshell to an absolutely crazy week: Giuliani associate willing to tell Congress Nunes met with ex-Ukrainian official to get dirt on Biden. … index.html

So there it is. Nunes with all his accusations and finger pointing, doing everything in his power to discredit those coming forth to testify against Trump, also worked with Ukraine to get dirt on Biden. That mother fucker. He should be removed from the impeachment hearings immediately.

#5 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

I see Trump has bowed down again to Kim Jong Un. I thought Trump was supposed to be tough. Really, he's a coward.

Syria was a smashing success as well...

#6 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

Also saw today that a couple of republicans now want certain testimonies behind closed doors, haha, isn't that rich?

#7 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:
misterID wrote:

You can't deny that he brought 100% of it all on himself.

Yea, he totally bought, published, and pushed the Steele dossier.

The republican lie is that the dossier kicked this all off. The truth is that our allies alerted the intelligence communities because of Trump's relations with the Russians.

Let's get real, you're pivoting again. Anything other than dealing with reality.

Answer me this Flagg: Is withholding military aid as leverage on a foreign country to get dirt on a political opponent acceptable? Yes or no. This isn't about Democrats, it's not about Obama, it's not about Hillary or the dossier.

Are you OK with a president violating his oath of office and our constitution?

#8 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

wasted wrote:

Hard to say because throughout the Russian Collusion investigation the whole media said Trump was going down. And then nothing. And no apology or even just an acknowledgment that they had just ruined 4 years of a US presidents time. They just rolled into the next thing and started saying the same things about certainty. Again nothing else is being done for the American people. It seems like the hearings and the media are biased but I’m not sure it will lead where they say and if so then what? The 60 million that voted Trump are going to feel cheated by the system. Trump probably shouldn’t be prez but is this the way to do it? Can’t they just beat him on the issues in an election?

I'd say these are quite relevant issues.

The investigation showed that Trump openly accepted help from Russia and obstructed justice nearly a dozen times. The multiple guilty verdicts of Stone last week also revealed that Trump used him for a direct link to wikileaks to get dirt on Hillary prior to the election. Congress is now looking at Trump's written testimony on this, where he (shocker!) lied. I'd say it's hardly a waste of time to investigate that Trump openly accepted foreign aid to go after a political opponent in 2016, and then tried to bribe another country to do the same thing for 2020.

There's a reason 6 Trump associates were convicted so far, and it's not because Trump is being picked on by the deep state. It's because he's a criminal and surrounds himself with people willing to break the law.

#9 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 26 weeks ago

Sonland's testimony was the death blow today, not even sure why we are continuing past this point. Trump, Pence, Giuliani and Mulvaney all thrown under the bus.

Pompeo is also about to resign.

If Trump was smart, he would too.

#10 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 27 weeks ago

wasted wrote:

Prosecuted for quid pro quo? That’s what prezs do, deals.

It's called bribery and it's in our constitution.

So yes, he's being prosecuted for it right now.

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