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#1 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 46 hours ago

Joe Walsh: Trump Needs a Primary Challenge
The case for a contender from the right.

There’s a strong case for President Trump to face a Republican primary challenger. I know a thing or two about insurgencies. I entered Congress in 2011 as an insurgent Tea Party Republican. My goals were conservative and clear: restrain executive power and reduce the debt. Barack Obama was president then, and it was easy for us to rail against runaway spending and executive overreach.

Eight years later, Mr. Trump has increased the deficit more than $100 billion year over year — it’s now nearing $1 trillion — and we hear not a word of protest from my former Republican colleagues. He abuses the Constitution for his narcissistic trade war. In private, most congressional Republicans oppose the trade war, but they don’t say anything publicly. But think about this: Mr. Trump’s tariffs are a tax increase on middle-class Americans and are devastating to our farmers. That’s not a smart electoral strategy.

It’s one of the many reasons Mr. Trump is ripe for a primary challenger. In fact, it would buck the historical trend if he didn’t have one. More often than not, unpopular presidents face primary challengers.

Since leaving Congress in 2013, I’ve been the host of my own conservative talk radio show several hours a day, five days a week. The only time a majority of my conservative audience has noticeably broken with the president is when he signed the omnibus spending bill in 2017 that ballooned the deficit. Fiscal responsibility is an issue the American electorate cares about but that our elected officials disregard from the top down — including the Tea Party in the Trump era.

Fiscal matters are only part of it. At the most basic level, Mr. Trump is unfit for office. His lies are so numerous — from his absurd claim that tariffs are “paid for mostly by China, by the way, not by us,” to his prevarication about his crowd sizes, he can’t be trusted.

In Mr. Trump, I see the worst and ugliest iteration of views I expressed for the better part of a decade. To be sure, I’ve had my share of controversy. On more than one occasion, I questioned Mr. Obama’s truthfulness about his religion. At times, I expressed hate for my political opponents. We now see where this can lead. There’s no place in our politics for personal attacks like that, and I regret making them.

I didn’t vote for Mr. Trump in 2016 because I liked him. I voted for him because he wasn’t Hillary Clinton. Once he was elected, I gave him a fair hearing, and tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I soon realized that I couldn’t support him because of the danger he poses to the country, especially the division he sows at every chance, culminating a few weeks ago in his ugly, racist attack on four minority congresswomen.

The fact is, Mr. Trump is a racial arsonist who encourages bigotry and xenophobia to rouse his base and advance his electoral prospects. In this, he inspires imitators.

Republicans should view Mr. Trump as the liability that he is: No matter his flag-hugging, or his military parades, he’s no patriot. In front of the world, he sides with Vladimir Putin over our own intelligence community. That’s dangerous. He encouraged Russian interference in the 2016 election, and he refuses to take foreign threats seriously as we enter the 2020 election. That’s reckless. For three years, he has been at war with our federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies, as he embraces tyrants abroad and embarrasses our allies. That’s un-American.

And despite what his enablers claim, Mr. Trump isn’t a conservative. He’s reckless on fiscal issues; he’s incompetent on the border; he’s clueless on trade; he misunderstands executive power; and he subverts the rule of law. It’s his poor record that makes him most worthy of a primary challenge.

Mr. Trump has taken the legitimate differences that Americans have on policy and turned them into personal division. He’s caused me to change my tone and to reflect upon where I went over the line and to focus on policy differences moving forward.

We now have a president who retweets conspiracy theories implicating his political opponents in Jeffrey Epstein’s death. We now have a president who does his level best to avoid condemning white supremacy and white nationalism.

Yes, William Weld, the former Massachusetts governor, is challenging Mr. Trump from the center. But the president is more vulnerable to a challenge from the right. I’m on the right, and I’m hugely disappointed that challenge hasn’t yet materialized.

Mr. Trump’s most vulnerable against a challenger who’d make the case for strong borders — instead of warning of “invaders,” dragging us down, turning neighbor against neighbor. A majority of Americans want fixes to our most basic problems.

We need someone who could stand up, look the president in the eye and say: “Enough, sir. We’ve had enough of your indecency. We’ve had enough of your lies, your bullying, your cruelty, enough of your insults, your daily drama, your incitement, enough of the danger you place this country in every single day. We don’t want any of this anymore, and the country certainly can’t stand four more years of it.”

Joe Walsh, a former Illinois congressman, is a nationally syndicated conservative talk radio host.

#2 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 3 days ago

I don't know if I should laugh or cry at the deficit now. We're heading towards 1 Trillion per year. To put it in perspective, when the great recession hit we were at approximately 1.3 Trillion per year. I've asked this before, but what are we going to do when our next recession comes? (and it's coming, probably sooner than most think, see my next point below.) When that happens, we won't have any of our usual moves, and the national deficit will explode when revenues shrink up. All the fiscal conservatives? Tea Party Types? The "We can't afford it" crowd? Crickets...

We've recently got the Fed cutting rates again, which is a huge red flag to me. Very strange. There is no reason to do that, unless our economy needs a bump. Right now the economy is supposed to be doing great, so why the cut? In this case it's to act as a counter weight to Trump's stupid trade war with China. Brilliant. Let's paint ourselves into a corner a little bit more.

But hey, the wealthy and corporations got their tax cuts. So who cares about the books? We should have been RAISING taxes the last several years to pay down debt, not lowering taxes. This is sheer insanity in my opinion.

#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » anyone hear the atlas clip leak » 3 days ago

If anybody can PM the clips too, I'd sincerely appreciate it.

I found one on youtube, with a Spanish title, sounds awesome.

#4 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 3 days ago

misterID wrote:

Socialism cannot exist under a democracy. Say Bernie gets his way, it would tank the economy for at least four years, I mean total disaster with skyrocketing unemployment, high taxes, etc. And four years is being generous that you could see even the slightest bit of positivity, where crap is a little less crappish... The American people would not stand for it and vote every socialist out. The left would then start hyping getting rid of the EC, abolishing rights, packing the supreme court, rewriting the constitution. Socialism can only exist under a dictatorship.

This is strange talk. ^^^ Socialism can only exist under a dictatorship? Huh?

Our country has quite a bit of socialism already: Medicare, Medicaid, VA healthcare, public schools, social security, libraries, public transportation, parks, firefighters, the police....on and on.  That's before we even get to corporate socialism (the kind Republicans never want to talk about.) Let's not also forget that it was socialism that bailed out capitalism when Wall Street was imploding about a decade ago. Tax payers picked up the tab and kept these giant corporations afloat.

I'd also argue that most Americans aren't very good at basic math. They scoff at "high" tax rates, but are buried under student loan debt, credit card debt, medical bills, childcare etc and have very little hope of retiring. But sure, your tax rate is 25% so you're "free"...congrats.

#5 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 6 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:
slcpunk wrote:

Also want to check in with the MAGA crowd: You're cool with immigrant children being denied showers, toothbrushes, soap, clean clothes and being separated from their parents by 1000s of miles? (some they can't even find anymore, the children are for all extents and purposes lost.)

Enjoying your increased national debt and blown up deficit?

Cool with that?

Yes or no.

I'm not in the MAGA crowd (though I'm sure you think I am), but it's just more of the same man.  That's the reality.  You like to pretend it's different, but it isn't.  Not a a level that makes a difference at least.  If you were cool with what happened under Obama, you lose any ability to credibly complain about things now.

You didn't answer the question.

Obama didn't have a policy to separate children from their parents. He also didn't go to court to deny children soap, toothpaste etc etc. This is all Trump's policies we're talking about.

Obama also cut the deficit down, nearly in half. It's not anything like what Trump/GOP are doing.

So let's try this again, simple question, yes or no.

Are you cool with immigrant children being denied showers, toothbrushes, soap, clean clothes and being separated from their parents by 1000s of miles? (some they can't even find anymore, the children are for all extents and purposes lost.)

Are you ok with the national debt forecast and adding billions to the deficit?

Yes or no.

#6 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 6 weeks ago

Also want to check in with the MAGA crowd: You're cool with immigrant children being denied showers, toothbrushes, soap, clean clothes and being separated from their parents by 1000s of miles? (some they can't even find anymore, the children are for all extents and purposes lost.)

Enjoying your increased national debt and blown up deficit?

Cool with that?

Yes or no.

#7 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 6 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I dont get it, free college, free healthcare, and open borders for Central Americans. I mean, sorry, but how will this be paid for without drastically reforming our economy?

How do they backtrack during the election to attract moderates?  Trying to acquire Bernie Sanders thunder os one thing, trying to win the Presidential election is another. I think Liz Warren may go a bit of a centrists route, adding an ACA like tax that even illegals would need to pay to be on 'free' healthcare. I saw an article that Tulsi Gabbard or Klobuchar need to make waves and campaign as more of a centrist.



Dems shouldve gone moderate thiz primary, instead they're going rad left. We'll see how it plays out.

Amazon paid zero in taxes. Zip. Same for many other corporations. We can pay for all sorts of things IMO, if we didn't give it all away to the ultra wealthy and corporations. Warren has gone into the math a little bit on this.

I disagree with paying for healthcare for illegal aliens and it would never happen anyway. Not sure why anybody would address this. Although children under 18 I may be OK with to be honest.

Moderate narratives will appear once we're in the general election. Right now they're working on the base. Just like the right wing plays to theirs. It's way too early to see this as any shift to the far left.

PaSnow wrote:

...and Bidens slippin a bit. He wont win this.

I doubt Biden will be the nominee. There are too many strong candidates in the field. He's got name recognition right now and that's about it.

#8 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 6 weeks ago

Randall Flagg wrote:

It's not about censoring.  It's about a specific poster doing nothing but shit posting and adding no value to the forum.  It's about someone who can't make a coherent sentence, and repeatedly uses language like this.  I'm not saying he should be banned, but a final warning and clear message to knock it off would be helpful.

It is about censoring. You'll do anything you can to silence those who speak against you including doxxing them.

You don't understand context.

You also provide little value, if any, and are an all around lousy person. You've stunk up numerous forums over the years, made things deeply personal and acted like a little crybaby anytime you received one iota of push back.

Randall Flagg wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

You should be immediately banned for this post.  Hopefully they have the guts to do it.

I reported it, but with James MIA and Neemo on solo duty, I doubt anything will come of it.

You would report it, lol, what a loser.

You've been banned from how many forums now Flagg?

Smoking Guns wrote:

Watched the debate. Haha, what a joke

You support Trump no matter what...so not much room to talk here SG. In fact...no room.

buzzsaw wrote:
PaSnow wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Dont waste it while I'm in Vegas.

Are you in Vegas?  Is it hot AF there or what?  I stayed at Excalibur about 2 years ago, I dug it. Always liked the water show out front of Bellagio.

I'm on a plane headed there.  Its summer,  so its hot!

Rascal scooters are pretty easy to rent while you're here, just FYI.

#9 Re: The Garden » US Politics Thread » 6 weeks ago

mitchejw wrote:

Debates at this point are fucking stupid.

Nothing of substance is even remotely occurring.

I find it stupid to debate policy right now when so many dumb things are going on. Like anyone votes on issues anyway right now. It’s either you’re for trump or you’re against him.

I agree. I'm not even going to bother watching until they're down to half a dozen or so.

The immigration crisis that Trump created at the border is horrific and cruel by design. Anybody OK with that is pretty much a piece of shit.

And that's just one of many horrible things going on. ^^^ As usual, too much to keep up with.

#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » 2019 tour date announced » 6 weeks ago

1000 a piece (before fees)for floor tickets here....hard pass.

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