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#11411 Re: Guns N' Roses » AXL Posting on GNR Forums! » 934 weeks ago
Very cool.
You think he'd speak here with the fact that we (meaning, the real members here
)won't back peddle and suck ass like the other forums and ask real questions?
#11412 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago
It's sad, I was really looking forward to future albums. But as always, the diehards don't dictate the future. The casuals do. It's reunion or nothing at this point.
The CD era is over.
That's where I've got to disagree. The potential of the CD era is over, for sure. But I can see Axl taking the rest of the CD era recordings to a smaller label like Road Runner Records and releasing however many records he can... I mean, look at it this way, even at a disappointing 300,000 albums sold in 2 weeks, that's still pretty big for smaller record labels, not to mention the global record sales would also be tempting. That's if he doesn't have another release with Geffen. But seeing his attitude now and past, I don't know why they would want to do anything with him other than dropping his ass from their roster. But the man needs to make money. Its going to be increasingly difficult to tour seeing past turn outs and, again, his attitude, which will/has turned off a lot of the 'heavy' concert promoters. He can get a reunion together, but I seriously see him spiting himself and NOT doing it just because he refuses to "give in." This is Axl we're talking about.
Why he's going about things the way he is with this album is anyones guess. It could be he didn't like the way things were handled with the label taking so long to release it. Or, he could've dropped the album soley to settle a ton of bad debts. Or it could simply be that he truly thought his reputation and name could promote this album alone. Well, in any case, if he thought this album would be a success without promoting it, he was wrong. And for me, I just feel he doesn't care anymore. Like Axlin08 said, he knows he blew his chance and he's moved on.
He still has enough material to release records. And there are a lot of smaller labels who would be drooling to get Guns N' Roses on their rosters. But what we had hoped for from the CD era is gone.
#11413 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago
It seems that I remember AFD kinda doing much of nothing for almost a year. "Jungle" was only shown late night on MTV and not causing too much of a stir. Suddenly the SCo'M video starts getting heavy rotation on MTV and the album takes off...almost a year later! Chinese Democracy may have the same type of gestation period (like a time released pill, maybe it just hasn't kicked in yet). All I'm sayin' is don't sweat the album sales just yet. Hopefully a video, "Street of Dreams" or "Catcher" could be the Sweet Child o' Mine for CD. If mTV (lower case "M" because music is the last thing that channel has on it's mind) puts the hypothetical video into rotation who knows? Chinese Democracy in my opinion is a great album and no less than I expected from this great band! The world will know...they just gotta shake the Fall Out Boy, Beyonce', Kanye crap outta their ears!
I think its pretty obvious that Axl has shit-canned Chinese Democracy. Stick a fork in it....
#11414 Re: Guns N' Roses » GnR Mention in "The Wrestler" trailer » 934 weeks ago
You can find it on youtube. It's Welcome To The Jungle and it PLAYED during filming.
#11415 Re: Guns N' Roses » GnR Mention in "The Wrestler" trailer » 934 weeks ago
Nah, I saw the filming of the wrestling scenes. Unless they changed it in the editting room, its Welcome To The Jungle.
#11416 Re: Guns N' Roses » NIN imploding? Finck coming back? (NOPE!) » 934 weeks ago
Robin is gone... And what would he be coming back to with GNR? All that hard work he gave over the years recording and the jackass lead singer (band leader) continuously sabotages the band's success?
Remember guys, forget about Axl blowing off the record, GNR has not finished ONE SINGLE tour since he debuted them. Every turn has been a disaster. Why would he want to come back?
#11417 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Great music never guarantees great sales, Buzz.
It may not fit a lot of peoples tastes, that might play a real big factor, but it has nthing to do with the album being bad or mediocre.
And if I remember right, this album got a lot of rave reviews... But I'm sure that the good reviews don't count and you guys will explain why only the negative reviews count
Maybe not, but great music doesn't hurt sales either. Anyone that says the music is not a factor is only lying to themself. You love the album - I get that. A lot of other people don't like what they've heard so far whether through myspace or the radio. You can't discount that just because YOU think the album is great. YOU thinking it's great doesn't make it great.
Breaking news...
I don't think the album was great. Go read my review. But its wrong to say the album isn't good. So this isn't about ME or MY opinion. I'm saying there are a lot of reasons why this album isn't a success and it has nothing to do with the quality of the music.
#11418 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago
misterID wrote:Reasons I think the album is flopping in the US:
1) He waited too long.
2) Not enough people liked the first single, which gave a bad taste for the rest of the album.
3) The average music buying public didn't really know much about the album (and the new band), or cared, because GNR didn't seem to care enough to promote it.
4) The band doesn't have a face or identity. Except for the few things they see and read on the net, VH1 and G4. Sadly, its not always good, and there has been no one from this band to give "their" story... Or show it really as a band.
I think the sales showed only the people who were really interested in this album bought it. He didn't crack anywhere near the demographics that matter. The above points show the reason for that. When it comes down to it, I just don't think anyone outide of us cared.
I don't agree about the single. I actually thought it was pretty well received. It got major airplay and mostly an overall positive response. The reason this album is failing is more in line with your #'s 3 and 4. The public decided long ago that they didn't think THIS was GNR. People seem to think this happened overnight, but ever since they re-appeared with the 2001 lineup people refused to see them as GNR. If they released the album then it still wouldn't have been a huge success. Sure it would've sold more just due to the fact that more albums sold back in 2001 and we were only in the beginning stages of a declining economy. The guys on the album (Bucket, Ron, Tommy, etc.) are great musicians, but aside from Bucket they're all faceless, no pun intended. The only guy the general public cares to hear from is Axl and that's not his forte. I admittedly hoped that this would sell somewhere near the pace of Death Magnetic, but I guess those were just pipe dreams. Deep down I guess I knew the truth. I'm not even sure at this point if Axl showed up and did some interviews and announced a tour that sales would increase THAT much. And before people start with the reunion talk. Slash and Duff did plenty of promotion for Libertad and that didn't work out too well either, so I'm not sold that their inclusion would make a difference either. The interest in the Guns N' Roses brand name just isn't what it used to be, and it's been that way for quite some time now. Some people have to realize that and accept it for what it is. It's not 1992 anymore, I hate to tell you.
I disagree, this album would have been HUGE in 2001 or 02. Probably even bigger if the MTV awards would have come off like Rio. The band, including Buckethead, was doing press. They gathered a lot of interest because of the band. Even the fact that this was a new band would have gathered a lot of press with all the old vs new things that would pop up. There would have been big fights over it. But this band has been around since 2002... They're not new anymore... No one really knows who's even in it, anymore. And that "new vs old" argument is pretty irrelevant now.
And its silly to think a reunion wouldn't be huge. It would. Not as big as some people might think, but it would get a lot of attention and that does equal into sales... Even more than great music, unfortunately.
The thing that hurt the band the most is that AXL WAITED TOO DAMN LONG. He missed his opportunity.
#11419 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago
Great music never guarantees great sales, Buzz.
It may not fit a lot of peoples tastes, that might play a real big factor, but it has nthing to do with the album being bad or mediocre.
And if I remember right, this album got a lot of rave reviews... But I'm sure that the good reviews don't count and you guys will explain why only the negative reviews count 
#11420 Re: Guns N' Roses » what are we disappointed with? » 934 weeks ago
I'm disappointed that this friggin thing wasn't released in 2002 
I'm really disappointed in the arrogance of this band and its leader.
