I gotta admit, like King Animal, i've been listening to this over and over, and it's starting to feel more and more like the grower we all originally predicted. Even some of the tracks I said before are starting to change for me, like Low Ceiling. Suddenly they seem even better than before.

Sure there are immediate grabs, and still a couple of weaker ones, but like KA it's an album for fans and it's a slow burn. Suddenly alot of the stuff seems more defined than it was before.

The biggest reason is they get better and better. Fast Five was the best one they ever did. I personally thought 3 & 4 were pieces of turd. Tokyo Drift, ugh no, and Fast 4 was not the glorious "return" film I thought it'd be. I think the story was loaded with holes, and it was too gimmicky, relying on returning stars Diesel, Walker & Brewster to drive the interest in the film.

I loved the 2nd film, and thought it was the best of the bunch, until 5. I always thought the 1st was overrated personally. A good-to-average action film at best, but okay.

Haven't seen 6, but they definitely have caught a second-wind in this franchise with a more adult buddy-cop dynamic. The Fast & The Furious films have survived Tokyo Drift to become the "Lethal Weapon" franchise of their day.

I do think they need to start looking for their end with the films though. They played out the race car driving thing and converted it to heist films. Even with heist films, there's only so many stories there to do that.

Universal knows after Tokyo Drift, that people do NOT see these as a concept-action franchise. They go for Diesel & Walker in the same film, no different than Gibson & Glover. Furious Six is on track to earn MORE money than Fast Five. They keep earning that much, Uni will want to just keep making them until someone says no.

Eventually I think they're gonna have to get to a "Lethal Weapon 4" moment where everyone just says 'enough', and they give it a finality and a closure, and walk away on top.

True, he did mention he had blood pressure issues in the past.

But more than likely it's booze. We all know since he re-emerged in 2009, he's been hitting alcohol harder and more blatantly. Granted I do remember a show in 2006 (might've been Rio: Lisbon) where he drank champagne throughout the show.

Seems like he's getting to Duff '93 territory. Everytime you see him now, he's drinking. That bloat, that's drinking bloat. Seen many of family and friends go down that path, and they all have had the identical look Axl has right now.

Completely agree Furbush. People complain about the suck constantly, but as long as they shell out money, they'll continue to have 70% Axl with session musicians forever. Good job, you accomplished nothing.

Axl wants to wake up and record new music and stop being a pussy living off other people's legacy, including his former self, fine i'll give him 100% support, but until then... whatever.

I'd rather listen to a Jerry Cantrell solo record called Alice in Chains where they at least TRIED to do something cool and new. Mad respect for that. Even Aerosmith.

GN'R? What GN'R? You mean that band that died in Buenos Aires in 1993?

Glad you had fun girl. I know it's been awhile for you seeing Guns. Good to see you here again.