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#1181 Re: Guns N' Roses » Is the Van Halen tour a lesson to Axl? » 894 weeks ago
I think he didn't have a vision, that's why everyone and his dog ended up with some contribution on CD. Even Beltrami said that when he met Axl he asked about his ideas about the certain songs. Axl told him to do what he wanted, and then they would decide if they'd use it. I think this happened through all the years. Play something dude, play a hundred solos, Ron, then we'll see if there is something good we can use and copy-paste.
Axl didn't have a plan, didn't have an artistic vision, didn't have anything, but all the power.
that was the plan
the plan to making his vision happen
axl's vision is what you are referring to by your cut and paste comments
what would you have him do? hum the solos to the guitarists. axl was smart enough to know at this stage in his life that you can't get the best out of others by micro managing them. you have to empower them to get what you want out of them.
the problem wasn't a lack of vision. it was axl never being around.
#1182 Re: Guns N' Roses » Is the Van Halen tour a lesson to Axl? » 894 weeks ago
Adler's Appetite played less GN'R than Axl during the 'Chinese Democracy World Tours'. I think you should agree that it wasn't about art, it was an easy way to go out and get some money. A lot of money. I wasn't talking about the recording, btw, ince there you can argue about art, although not having a vision and spending millions and millions to find something is far from being an artist, but hey, that's just me. It's the 'dive in and find the monkey' attitude.
yeah they got stuck calling the tour that, didn't they? i never argued with that.
i missed that "touring wise" on the end there. the rest of my point still stands though.
axl is not completely independent so money is an issue no matter what. to axl, personally, there are many things he would have done differently if it were about money.
i don't buy the the "no vision" story despite what tommy said and that could mean anything. everyone has a vision. it's what's is in that vision that's up for debate. axl's vision for cd was clearly to bring a lot of artists and influences in to the mix. i think he wanted a diverse album and one of sustenance. he clearly wasn't looking for a poppy album.
beyond that only axl knows what he forsaw the album sounding like before it came together.
#1183 Re: Guns N' Roses » Is the Van Halen tour a lesson to Axl? » 894 weeks ago
ereeper wrote:I don't think $ is Axl's priority for doing bigger shows. It has always been about the art and his recent quotes support that.
I'm sorry, but... what???? Playing two AFD Tribute tours was about art? How? And he has hardly done anything in the past 15 years touring wise.
they also played several new and unreleased songs.
in fact, i'm sure he fought the promoters to play more new stuff but, since gnr and axl aren't the only ones with anything at stake, he wasn't able to have it his way completely.
"not doing anything" for 15 years is void since he gets paid by "doing things" so it wasn't about the money as much as it wasn't about the art at a minimum there.
oh yeah, he dumped millions of dollars into an album that even he knew wasn't gonna sell more specifically because of these additions on top of additions, etc.
many people that know axl refer to him as a 'true artist.
some of you guys need to give him some credit when it is due to balance out all of the bad stuff that isn't always true but many always bring up.
#1184 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ Ashba First Impressions » 894 weeks ago
war wrote:the second album is not done though, according to axl
any worthy contributions from dj would be welcomed by meThey should just go on a long proper tour, then release the next album at the end of it. The last thing these sessions needed was more contributions.
if a re-release of cd with different versions and, more importantly, new songs is on the way i welcome it. if it is not complete as axl mentioned it was not, i welcome any worthy contributions from dj as long as it doesn't delay it. they need to wipe the slate clean with this old and dated material from the cd sessions and they need to do so before the tour. i think i speak for the majority of fans when i say i'd rather have this than not at all.
as far as an album of all new music, not asssociated with chinese democracy. i agree that they should tour cd and then start recording from scratch afterward with a new album with one line-up. anything they can get done while on tour is a bonus.
#1185 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ Ashba First Impressions » 894 weeks ago
the second album is not done though, according to axl
any worthy contributions from dj would be welcomed by me
#1186 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Names Dj Ashba As Band's Newest Axeman » 894 weeks ago
sorry, shacklers revenge, ITW, and SOD are potential singles
TWAT and prostitute are not
#1187 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Names Dj Ashba As Band's Newest Axeman » 894 weeks ago
War, how about a little Michael Corleone?
karma
much better than papa smurf
#1188 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N' Roses Names Dj Ashba As Band's Newest Axeman » 894 weeks ago
war wrote:tejastech08 wrote:Axlin08,
Your point about GN'R becoming a modern rock radio band is an interesting one. I can tolerate that style of rock if the voice is great. I fucking hate Nickelback because of Kroeger's annoying ass voice. Shinedown is one of the few modern rock bands that I enjoy and it's because of the guy's voice. Likewise with Disturbed. Put Axl with a modern rock radio style similar to Nickelback and I'd almost be able to tolerate it because of his voice.
i can't tolerate your avatar
that movie was horribleAll the more reason for me to KEEP that avatar.
:haha:
nah. you should bring back the joker.
#1189 Re: Guns N' Roses » Theory Or the Unspoken Truth?: Robin didn't leave the band amicably. » 895 weeks ago
did otis buy 10 copies of cd as well???
#1190 Re: Guns N' Roses » DJ Ashba First Impressions » 895 weeks ago
if the guy couldn't play i would feel different.
timing is everything.
since axl hired his seriously talented management team we've gotten better communication, cd, and a tour appears to be around the corner.
things actually look pretty good for dj and gnr and if axl's intentions are ever to maintain a cohesive lineup, right now may be his last chance.
