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#4351 Re: The Garden » John McCain says "I don't really understand economics" » 919 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:

If I were a Democrat, I'd love to face McCain. He's never going to win the general election.

Maybe you should look at the polls for the least year that pit McCain against Hillary or Obama.  I've said it before and I'll say it again; conservatives are being elected world over.  While Obama would give a good fight, Americans won't trust Clinton.  McCain has stood his ground since 2000 and it's his turn to be in the spotlight.

#4352 Re: The Garden » Florida primary. » 919 weeks ago

McCain is the victor as I have predicted from day one.  Insiders say Guiliani will endorse McCain tomorrow which will put him over the edge for Super Tuesday next week.  John McCain will be the next president of the United States.  Huckabee will drop out after next Tuesday and Romney will stick around until the end of the month.  I predict Hillary will take most states next week and Obama will drop out around the same time as Romney.  Get ready folks, Clinton vs. McCain.

#4353 Re: The Garden » Kindergartener Handcuffed At School For Acting Up » 920 weeks ago

I'm sorry, but I agree with the school.  When I went through school, if a kid pulled that shit he'd have his ass paddled and be done with it.  But you can't do that anymore because our society is oversensitized and too PC.  I'd be damned if I let some little shit kick me, slap me and destroy my office.  They restrained the child in a manner that couldn't cause him or others harm.  This screams media whore to me and I hope the judge throws their eventual suit for millions out.  I'd bet my left nut that child hasn't had a single nightmare from this.  If he's that unstable, he needs to be removed from a public classroom and provided a unique education at the family's exspense.  It's not the public's responsibility to provide education for every maladjusted child that comes through the system.  The parents should heed my advice and spank some ass, then his problems will end real quick.

#4354 Re: The Garden » Life on Mars?? Starting to look that way... » 920 weeks ago

Female Figure on Mars Just a Rock
By Benjamin Radford
LiveScience's Bad Science Columnist
posted: 24 January 2008
03:22 pm ET


The idea that there may be life on Mars has been around for centuries, but the theory got a dubious boost from recently released photos of the surface of Mars (taken by the NASA robot Spirit) apparently showing a human-like figure. Several Internet sites have glommed onto the image and suggested the figure could be alive.

But what is it? Just a rock, astronomers say.

It's hard enough to accurately recognize figures and faces across the room. Mars, depending on when you measure it, is about 35 million miles away. The best telescopes aren't of much help in determining surface features, and that's why NASA sent robots with cameras to Mars.

The reason many people see a figure on the Martian landscape is the same reason that people see faces in clouds, Rorschach blots, and coffee stains. This phenomenon, called pareidolia, is well known in psychology, and it is the cause of many supposedly mysterious and miraculous events (including the famous "Jesus in the Tortilla"). Examples are all around us; in fact if you have a New Hampshire state quarter, you have pareidolia in your pocket or purse (take a look).

Strong evidence for this psychological explanation lies in the fact that the Spirit image does not look like Martian life (since we don't know what life on Mars looks like), but instead resembles life here on Earth, specifically human life. The image is the result of human interpretation. If you look around the full image of the area (not just the close-up), you will find several rocks and features that resemble non-human Earth life, such as armadillos and snakes. In the right bottom corner, emerging from the sand, there is what looks like a lizard face wearing goggles and an airman's helmet.

This is of course not the first time that NASA images have been claimed to show evidence of Martian life. A man named Richard Hoagland claimed that 1976 photographs of the Cydonia region of Mars showed a human-like face and was clear evidence of aliens.

According to astronomer Phil Plait of the Bad Astronomy Web site, if the image really is of a man on Mars, he's awfully small: "Talk about a tempest in a teacup!" Plait said. "The rock on Mars is actually just a few inches high and a few yards from the camera. A few million years of Martian winds sculpted it into an odd shape, which happens to look like, well, a Bigfoot! It's just our natural tendency to see familiar shapes in random objects."

Even though logic and science suggest that the image is of a rock and not an animal, UFO buffs and conspiracy theorists will continue to speculate.

In fact, it will actually be pretty easy to determine whether or not the image is of alien life. In later photographs of the area, either the same shape will be there or it won't. If it is, it's a rock (unless, of course, little Martian men can hold the same pose for weeks or months at a time).

This is exactly how the "Face on Mars" was eventually disproven. On April 5, 1998, the Mars Global Surveyor took photographs of the same region in far higher resolution than was possible in 1976. The new images clearly showed an area heavily eroded, and that the "face" was simply the result of low image quality, pareidolia, and tricks of light and shadow. Hoagland's theory was discredited.

Just don't tell that to the creepy, goggle-wearing Martian sand lizard



http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 … -mars.html

#4355 Re: Guns N' Roses » HMV says "CD not a scheduled release this year" » 920 weeks ago

I'm not puttign any stock in this.  Amazon listed CD before, as have countless others.  I seriously doubt people are contatcing Geffen/Universal/Sanctuary/Whoever about the release date of one album.  Furthermore, the record companies are under no obligation to keep distibutors up to date on anticipated or estimated releases.  When something solid is confirmed, we'll know.  Until then, I won't be listening to what 3rd parties who know less than us say.

#4356 Re: The Garden » Life on Mars?? Starting to look that way... » 920 weeks ago

Jameslofton wrote:

First you say you're not saying life can't exist there, and then you say it cant. Did you run John Kerry's campaign in 04?

No one knows whether life can exist there or not. All life can't be based on what we know here. Scientists theorize that life may exist in some form on Titan, and the conditions there are terrible. Completely different than Mars, but it shows the possibilities of life living in hostile environments. Hell, Sagan even brought up the possibility of life forms living in the storms on Jupiter.

In my opinion, the only places in the solar system that can be completely ruled out as having life are the Moon, Mercury, and those tiny moons( really asteroids) orbiting Mars.

And why do you rule those out?  Ice is believed to exist on the moon in craters as well.  The answer should be the same reason why mars is ruled out.

The reason Titan is possibly hopitable to life is because of the methane oceans below the Solid Ice surface.  Said ice protects the ocean from solar rays as well as the methane oceans themselves being possible conducive to life.

There is a pattern being developed here.  I have never said that life can't exist at all on Mars.  Simply that life can not currently live on the surface of Mars.  It is entirely possible that life may exist below the surface.  In fact, in all observations on the possibilty of life on Mars, living under the surface is what is suggested.

#4357 Re: The Garden » How many of you have had your wisdom teeth cut out? » 920 weeks ago

Maverick wrote:

I got an x-ray or whatever where they showed I had two wisdom teeth coming in at a weird angle, and said they would mess up my perfect teeth if I didn't get them surgically removed.  That was like... four years ago and I haven't had any problems with them.  They still haven't breached the gums though, I don't know what they're doing.

They told me the same thing 8 years ago when I turned 18.  Not once did they ever bother me.  The powers that be thought it would be a good time to take em out, and rather than argue I let em do it.

#4358 Re: The Garden » Life on Mars?? Starting to look that way... » 920 weeks ago

Jameslofton wrote:

We're both right regarding that. They're seasonal, but the caps do bypass the liquid state....

Mars has ice caps on both its north and south poles. The ice caps are made of water ice and carbon dioxide ice (dry ice). There are two kinds of ice caps on Mars: seasonal ice caps and residual ice caps. Seasonal ice caps accumulate during the winter season, and evaporate during the summer. The residual caps remain during the entire year.
    Martian North Polar Cap. NASA/JPL.

Mars seasonal ice caps are entirely dry ice that is about 1 meter thick. The southern seasonal cap measures about 4000 km across when its largest during southern winter, and the northern cap measures about 3000 km across at its largest, during northern winter. When summer temperatures rise above 150K (-120 C), the ice sublimes (passes directly from the solid state into the gaseous state, bypassing the liquid state) into the atmosphere. Large seasonal changes in the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere cause large seasonal changes, up to 30% different, in the atmospheric pressure on Mars.

No James, I was right.  Liquid water doesn't  on exist the surface of Mars.  Dry Ice and the frozen water beneath it doesn't equal water.  We cleanse are medical instruments by submitting them to the conditions of mars. 

It's obvious that some of you aren't read on planetary systems and atmospheric conditions.  I suggest you spend some time on them rather than suggest science fiction.  I'm not saying life can't exist somewhere on mars, or didn't live on the surface on the past.  But life can not exist on the surface of Mars at this time.  Just as life can't exist on the surface of an asteroid floating in space.

#4359 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 920 weeks ago

James, please compare the weight and compostion of a B-52 to the Boeings that struck.  Also please compute speed.

On second thought don't bother.  It's obvious we have a difference of opinion.

#4360 Re: The Garden » 9/11 » 920 weeks ago

polluxlm wrote:

The backbone of the government story is that pressure from above initiated a domino effect, causing the entire structure to collapse. However, when you see the first tower starting to fall you'll notice the top of the building beginning to slide to the side on it's way off the building. This corresponds with the laws of physics that say: an object will always fall in the direction of least resistance.

So where did the additional pressure come from? Clearly it can't be from a part of the building on it's way off the building.

And what do you have to say about the dozens of people that were in the area that claim they heard bombs? The injuries and casualties as a result of it? How do you explain the damage to the lobby? To the basement? The smoke coming from ground level? Remember, this was all before the collapse.

What do you say about the thousands who claim there were no bombs?  Smoke came from fire as it came down the elevator shaft.  The vast majority, 99.9% of the smoke came from the point of impact as the thousands of photos portray. 

Provide me with a singular linear theory of events.  Simply proposing a multitude of possibilites to different stages isn't enough.  If you believe it was a controlled demolition, explain who did it, how they did it and why.  Anyone that attempts to provide a complete, alternate version is quickly shot down as all the theories thus far are found wanting.  Basically it comes down to this, if you want to believe something, you're going to find a way to justify it.  Religious zealots do this too.  People who deny we landed on the moon also do this.

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