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#501 Re: Guns N' Roses » Guns N Roses Live at the Whiskey 88- Used to Love Her(minus Adler) » 557 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:Mama's Good Boy wrote:Yes, but Axl and Slash have done almost nothing together without Izzy. He may have been somewhat of a bridge.
BECAUSE THEY BROKE UP. Not because they can't write a song together. See Civil War, Estranged, Coma, NR for example.
Izzy was still in the band at that point. The moment he bailed it was cover songs for three years and all fell apart during the 94 sessions without him....which led to the Chinese Democracy saga.
Hopefully this is where Richard comes in. You have to give 4tus some credit. He's the first guy since Izzy left in 1991, that has truly, or maybe more accurately, has potential to bridge the gap between Axl & Slash's tastes. Richard has Izzy/Slash/old GN'R-chops and Slash seems to have respect for Richard. Axl obviously likes Richard and Richard has been in GN'R since 2001. Slash liked Gilby, Axl saw Gilby as a touring guitarist, but not a writing partner. Axl saw Paul as a writing partner, Paul didn't want to tour, and Slash hated him.
Fast-forward to the present = Richard Fortus
Axl & Slash are going to HAVE TO MOVE PAST IZZY. The solution is NOT to bring Izzy in. It's just not going to happen. Izzy is too flaky. If GN'R has any hope of not being a nostalgia act, and still actually recording before they're all dead, Richard is the link.
Even if Izzy could be brought back in, he'd never write/perform an album's worth of material with them. Ever. That ship sailed years ago. People waiting for that, might as well get in line for the people waiting for Chris DeGarmo to rejoin Queensryche full-time, or Richie Blackmore to go back to Deep Purple.
It's just not happening. I hope Fortus can be the bridge that gets them to record, because relying on Izzy is why they haven't recorded an original LP in 25 goddamn years. Ugh.
#502 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy reportedly in GN'R and wrote new music » 557 weeks ago
Agreed, and like I said -- it will be a requirement. Uni isn't gonna just take whatever Axl offers them, just because Slash is touring with the band. Because based on what ID is theorizing, he's basically saying Slash being a touring guitarist for Guns, buys Axl favor with Uni to put out the Chinese leftovers, so to speak.
Slash is gonna have to have some involvement on those songs. People will expect it. The media will scrutinize it to death. If GN'R puts out a single, with Slash, then the bait n' switch to the album that is Slash-less, but with Bucket, Robin, and maybe even DJ & Ron, the media is gonna tear it apart, even though casuals would listen to DJ's solos, and go "oh my God, Slash killed it here!!!" No different than the people that ran all over the internet during the initial leaks in 2008 trying to convince the fanbase that all the guitar work on If The World, was Richard Fortus, when it was Bucket. Sorry was another one "Fortus was all over", and it was Bucket.
Hopefully Slash is willing to do it, not just for the fans, but to repair Axl's legacy. That's why I say CD I gets a re-work. Axl HATED how Uni rolled that album out, which is why he was defiant in touring the mother fucker for basically a decade with numerous different lineups. Don't be shocked if This I Love, Maddy, Street of Dreams, Chinese & Better all become staples of the GN'R setlist for years to come -- even with Slash & Duff in the band. Axl isn't going to just let it go. This isn't a KISS reunion. Or Deep Purple. Axl is more like David Coverdale in this scenario, if David Coverdale had agreed to let Richie Blackmore, John Sykes & Adrian Vandenburg all into Whitesnake. Like DC, who's toured WS for years playing a mixture of WS classics mixed with a select of staples from the Mk. III & Mk. IV lineups of Deep Purple. So much to the point Whitesnake's last record (with ANOTHER lineup) was a (fairly decent) WS-rerecord of a never-gonna-be-released-ever Deep Purple best-of from the Mk. III & IV lineups of Deep Purple. Some fans loved it. Some fans hated it. But with "all the love" DC had for doing it, it was still seen as DC's ego being DC's ego.
Axl is no different than Coverdale. Those Chinese songs ain't going anywhere, but being Axl decided to do what Coverdale's ego would never let him do in Whitesnake, Axl is now in a spot where Uni is going to demand those songs have some Slash prescence to re-sell.
Even in a GN'R "Echo of Miles" scenario, I still think Uni will require AT LEAST a Slash-performed, Slash-produced, so-called "Real GN'R" album to be delivered and released FIRST, before even considering to release Axl's so-called "vault".
Nature of the beast. That's like doing Lethal Weapon 6 with Gibson & Glover, and then going back and releasing Lethal Weapon 5 with two different actors. It just isn't going to work. And the more and more I think about it, the less and less sense it makes.
Slash is going to have to go back and work on that entire vault.
And if he does, regardless of money, kudos to Slash. What a BIG MAN to go back and repair Axl's legacy for him. He'd literally be saving Axl's legacy. Maybe that would be Slash's ultimate "i'm sorry" to Axl, for how everything went down and become so personal? I also think the more promo that goes on, the more it will be pushed as the Axl, Slash & Duff show. All these people that think Richard, Frank, Dizzy & Chris are going to get some sort of props... puhleese.
As soon as they put out that press release with Axl, Slash & Duff as the center of GN'R, the whole goddamn ball game changed overnight. I still think this is a dream season-scenario. They're going to pretend (kind of like KISS), that what came before, never happened, yet at the exact same time, they'll be culling music from that period in order to produce new material, i.e. Carnival of Souls, Psycho Circus, and their random soundtrack & box set songs from that period.
Enter GN'R 2016
#503 Re: Guns N' Roses » Poll: Do you want Izzy with GNR in Vegas, Coachella, Mexico City.... » 557 weeks ago
Yeah, and I still wouldn't count Matt out. He's been conspicuously silent, especially for Matt, Matt has recently performed with Duff, and in years past, and since the UYI days, Slash & Duff have been intensely loyal to Matt, even more so than Steven who still can "lose it" within a moments notice, which is why Steven will never been involved on a full-time basis... ever... again. Sorry to say. That ship has sailed. Sorry Popcorn.
BUT
I still think, without a doubt, Axl, Slash & Duff could definitely put Matt on ice for a year, STILL do an AFD 30th Anniversary "Reunion" with Izzy + Matt, and market it as a reunion, when in reality people would just be getting the 1991 lineup.
It'd still sell gangbusters without Steven. And I still wouldn't be shocked if Slash & Duff have eased Matt in on this in some form, despite Axl's past beef which has supposedly been put to bed for the last 10 years.
#504 Re: Guns N' Roses » Did IZZY STRADLIN Join TWITTER And Say Something About GUNS N' ROSES? » 557 weeks ago
Maybe it's designed as a cash grab for Axl, Duff and Slash. Then next year double dip and do it all again, this time with the AFD 5.
This
I didn't have a chance to post the other day, but I was screaming this at the screen while reading it.
It makes no sense at all business-wise. Why bust out Izzy & Steven now? In 2016? When you could hold them off, and bring them out next year for the 30th Anniversary AFD? It's a double dip, that makes perfect business sense.
People will pay big bucks, and already are, for this merging of the UYI & CD lineups.
They'll pay even bigger bucks for a true "reunion" of the AFD 5 next year. I can only imagine the huge media spectacle surrounding a short & sweet theater/stadium/festival tour for maybe "only" a limited time with Izzy on rhythm & Steven on drums + Dizzy, playing nothing but AFD in-full with GN'R Lies & a few covers making up the rest of the setlist.
Something like
Welcome To The Jungle
It's So Easy
Mr. Brownstone
Out Ta Get Me
Sweet Child O' Mine
My Michelle
Think About You
Anything Goes
Rocket Queen
Civil War
Nice Boys
Move To The City
Mama Kin
Shadow of Your Love/Reckless Life [alternated depending on the show]
Knockin' On Heaven's Door
Used To Love Her
You're Crazy [alternated between electric & acoustic, depending on the show]
Nightrain
Encore:
Whole Lotta Rosie
Patience
Paradise City
#505 Re: Guns N' Roses » Former GUNS N' ROSES Guitarist DJ ASHBA Says He Was 'Treated Like Gold » 557 weeks ago
Everything Ashba says comes off as phony pr talk. Like sure, treat your colleagues nice in the media, but the way it reads you'd think he was talking about the Pope or something.
I don't read it that way at all. Alot of people in the last 20 years have been very complimentary of Axl. Maybe the guy changed and/or got closure on all the damage from when he was young?
If DJ came out and slammed Axl, people would take it as truth. It's hypocrisy.
DJ seems pretty honest in this interview. There were good times, there were bad times, but I was very lucky to be one of his inner circle guys, and because of that he was a great friend. Kinda sounds like me.
So good for DJ on taking the high road. Maybe he wants to leave that door cracked open in case he's needed again. No need to burn bridges that you enjoyed crossing.
Maybe this is a GN'R story with a happy ending. DJ gets to write and release, somewhat decent music, with Sixx:AM, and GN'R fans not only get a DJ replacement, but get fucking Slash back as a return?
Seems like all worked out for the best. Finally in GN'R world -- we can say that.
#506 Re: Guns N' Roses » Poll: Do you want Izzy with GNR in Vegas, Coachella, Mexico City.... » 557 weeks ago
I voted Yes, obviously. I was introduced to Guns, when Izzy was still in the band. To this day, my favorite GN'R lineup remains that 1991 lineup of Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Matt & Dizzy. I thought that lineup was a force of nature. I still wouldn't mind seeing Matt on the drums, although Matt brings about as much drama as Chris Pitman these days. Maybe less. Maybe we should give Matt a call? Frank Ferrer is the better drummer though.
Regardless about Izzy, and I do want him there... but I gotta be honest.
Bret Hart screwed Bret Hart
Izzy Stradlin screwed Izzy Stradlin
I don't think Izzy was even called now. And for that, I don't blame GN'R one, single bit. That's Izzy's fault. Izzy reminds me of my Dad somewhat. You can't have it both ways. One foot in, one foot out, none of the responsibility, but all of the money.
Izzy hasn't done jack fucking shit with GN'R since 1991. A couple, PAID, one-off situations in 1993, 2006 & 2012. That's It-zzy.
Just because Slash & Duff have re-entered the fold, doesn't mean this is the makeup of a reunion, and Slash & Duff being there means something entirely different. Bringing back Slash & Duff is an entirely different thing. Slash & Duff being writing chops, full-time membership, band leaders, financial responsibility (now, maybe not back in the day), and an overall reliance and value that Izzy simply does not bring and because of that Izzy doesn't deserve the money, nor the percentage cut the other three do.
Do I want Izzy there? Ab-so-fuckin-lutely. If Izzy thinks he deserves 25% of the gross take, same as Axl, Slash & Duff? Sure, but that would be a REALLLY BACKLOADEDEDDDDD contract if I was the lawyer writing it. Izzy would get small cuts initially, with backloaded money based on number of appearences, songs written, active involvement in promotion, etc. If he performs his duties, he could make a killing, no different than the "big three".
But that's not Axl, Slash or Duff's fault. IZZY made that bed. If they are fucking him now... he should probably look in the mirror.
I say that with blunt honesty. Nothing but love, all the best. Izzy Stradlin is the fucking man. I'll buy whatever he fucking does. God Bless the man. I truly mean that.
But if GN'R going forward means Axl, Slash, Richard, Duff, Frank & Dizzy? Fuck yeah, that sounds like one of their best lineups ever tbh.
#507 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 557 weeks ago
The better question, is now that Chris has basically confirmed that all this beef is for real (SG called it), what fucking planet is Chris living on? Does he really think that he deserves credit on the same level as Slash & Duff? Really?
I mean, I had a legit point when I fought for the honor of Dizzy Reed. I thought that was a legit thing, because A) he's been GNR's keyboardist since the old days, B) Axl wanted him there from day one, C) he's been there since 1990, D) he's in the Rock Hall as a member of GN'R. To me Dizzy Reed is just as much the brand as Axl, Slash & Duff.
But Pitman needs to come back down to earth. GN'R can keep calling this a re-branding, but let's be honest this is an official statement of Guns N' Roses = Axl Rose, Slash & Duff McKagan. They are now an official trio, no different then their future opener, Alice In Chains = Jerry Cantrell, Sean Kinney & Mike Inez.
#508 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy reportedly in GN'R and wrote new music » 557 weeks ago
Smoking Guns wrote:Well, to be fair, he took off Brian May and let Bumble solo instead. BRIAN FUCKING MAY.
He removed the solo, but didn't shit can the song and start over. He pasted Mays solo on the song and removed it when Robin came back.
Pretty sure Bucket (or so i'm told), recorded an entire solo for This I Love, before Robin, and it was canned completely for Robin's version.
So to poll, I wouldn't assume Axl's clinging to Bucket's leftovers and telling Slash to go sit in the corner. Axl has gotten rid of Bucket's stuff in several occasions. Hell, he let Ron, a far far FAR inferior guitarist re-recorded Bucket's practically written track, Shackler's Revenge as well.
I stand by my statement from the get. ALL of the Chinese stuff, including CD I, is right back on the table, with the hope Slash will touch it up with some of his special sauce, and have it re-packaged. I don't think it'll be a shock at all to see a Slash-ized CD II release, with a remixed CD I was a bonus disc and some other goodies, marketed as a double-disc.
#509 Re: Guns N' Roses » GN'R Twitter Updates » 557 weeks ago
I'm officially on the SG train...
Fuck Pitman. I want him OUT of the band. What a fucking copout. NOW, he looks like EVEN MORE of a pathetic hired Gun pussy.
So, yes, I was right when I said he spouted off at fans and it was misconstrued, the fact he copped to it, and apologized, THEN blamed it on being drunk... wow, what a lame ass.
At least DJ Ashba took the high road and complimented all involved, send much love to Axl, wished everyone the best, and talked Sixx:AM. And yet DJ is the lame ass? DJ looks more like the professional than even Ron these days, and especially Chris.
I just lost ALL of my respect for Pitman. Bring back Teddy Zig Zag. Least we can hear some Bad Obssession.
#510 Re: Guns N' Roses » Izzy reportedly in GN'R and wrote new music » 558 weeks ago
Axl shitcanned like what? 47 different versions of Chinese before we got the hybrid release in 2008?
You do realize there Bucket solos of This I Love out there, and Josh Freese-produced techno versions of Chinese, and Brain, this and that, etc.
Axl shitcanned MORE SHIT from Chinese, than he used. Thus the $14mil pricetag.
Only way, ONLY way Bucket & Robin stuff survive on Chinese II as the next release, is if SLASH and only SLASH (not Axl) is fine with going in there and re-recording there stuff, or recording his own stuff, and letting THEM back him.
The label a-okay's it, and it's out the door.
There's no way anything gets movement without 
Nothing. Regardless of what Axl wants. He's right back where he was in 2004. If anything, Axl shot himself in his own foot by agreeing to the reunion with Slash, if he wanted to keep the Bucket/Robin-version of CD II. He damned himself. He now HAS to have Slash on the record. And ultimately... that's Slash's call. If he doesn't want to do it, he doesn't have to. He's got other things he can do.
But if it happens -- thank Slash. Because he made it happen. Without him, it doesn't move. Not in the next couple of years.
