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#5661 Re: Guns N' Roses » And That Goes for All You Punks in the Press » 911 weeks ago

Maybe, but he's not the only one that feels that way.  Axl and Slash are riding the coattails of what they did 17+ years ago...are you going to call him a loser too?

#5662 Re: Guns N' Roses » And Here ... We ... Go. » 911 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

Axl's songs are some of my all time favorites, but they are what they are...pansy songs saved by some good to amazing guitar work.

I do agree that Axl's lyrics are pretty wimpy on a lot of the epics/ballads, but his VOICE is what separates him from the EMO crap. Not the fact that he's Axl Rose. It's the damn voice. You might not want to recognize the fact that people love his voice, but I'll just say that you are in serious denial if you think SCOM and NR were only hits because of the guitar work. Wake the fuck up. The girls went crazy over Axl's voice, and plenty of guys love his voice too because it's unique compared to the Motley Crue/Poison/Skidd Row/whatever other hair band singers were around at the time. They all sounded the same except for him. He stood out, and still stands out just like Slash/Duff/Izzy stood out from the other hair metal guitarists and bassists of the rock scene back then.

There are plenty of emo bands that have singers with unique voices.  Guess what?  The little girlies love them too, so don't make it into some Axl is better than everybody thing because it simply isn't true.  Axl has a unique voice that girls love, not the only unique voice girls love.

NR and SCOM were acceptable to guys because of the guitar work.  There weren't too many 16 year old guys going "SCOM is so sweet - I just love that Axl and his pure singing voice" - at least not where I lived.  SCOM came on one time when I was getting stoned around the age of 16 and we rocked out to the guitar, not Axl.  Axl may as well not have been there.  Now that you're older, you may look at it differently, but put yourself back in 1987 or 1991 and think about what would have happened to a 16 year old guy that walked around saying "Axl writes such pretty lyrics and has a beautiful voice" all the time.

#5663 Re: Guns N' Roses » What Really Led To Chinese Democracys Impending Release? » 911 weeks ago

Very interesting read.  Not likely 100% accurate, but I'd bet there's at least some truth to this story.

#5664 Re: Guns N' Roses » Rate it?! » 911 weeks ago

I'll give it a 7.  Some of it musically is better than I expected, but the production values and the overkill of sounds bring the overall value down in my mind.  I've only given it one listen start to finish, so it may change as I listen more.  I'd have loved to have heard this album as a Rose/BH/any old rhythm guitarist/Tommy/Brain/Dizzy (if I must) album.  Axl just nails the song structures but needs someone to tell him enough is enough with the adding parts here and there.

#5665 Re: Guns N' Roses » Iovine Talks Axl, U2, Dre, Eminem » 911 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

I think the whole album was released strictly for financial reasons to get it out of the way.  I don't know what the real big thing is that comes next, but this wasn't it.  Reunion?  Maybe.  Getting out of his contract somehow so he can do whatever he wants musically?  More likely than a reunion right now imo.  Whatever it is, CD wasn't it.

Downliner posted an interesting article (has its own thread) that indicates it was due to financial and legal problems, namely his debt to Sanctuary and the royalty issue with Slash/Duff from a few years ago when Sanctuary bought the catalog from Axl.

I would feel much better if this is the case...it certainly explains a lot.  Something isn't right when you can't produce the album properly and have a booklet filled with typos and misinformation on a project that has been in the works for at least 6 years.  As much of a perfectionist as Axl is, the only way this happened is if he just gave up on it for some reason.  This reason would make some sense.

#5666 Re: Guns N' Roses » Iovine Talks Axl, U2, Dre, Eminem » 911 weeks ago

FlashFlood wrote:

on the surface, the promotion was actually alright...the problem is that it could have been SO MUCH BETTER.

tv ads, a couple of singles, listening parties, dr. pepper, magazine and newspaper ads, the myspace thing, i mean its not like anybody didn't know this was coming out.

I ONLY knew it was coming out because of this site and the numerous myspace messages they sent out (too many actually).  I never saw an ad for it on tv, heard one on the radio (and it was advertising the listening party, not the album itself).  I think a lot of people that don't listen exclusively to rock stations (in other words, most people) still have no idea the album is out, but more importantly, they don't care either.

#5667 Re: Guns N' Roses » Iovine Talks Axl, U2, Dre, Eminem » 911 weeks ago

I think the whole album was released strictly for financial reasons to get it out of the way.  I don't know what the real big thing is that comes next, but this wasn't it.  Reunion?  Maybe.  Getting out of his contract somehow so he can do whatever he wants musically?  More likely than a reunion right now imo.  Whatever it is, CD wasn't it.

#5668 Re: Guns N' Roses » And Here ... We ... Go. » 911 weeks ago

PaSnow wrote:

I also think SCOM is a tremendously well written song. A little short in word length, but to me, a great song/poem. NR is also, although I hate the finished product. The piano & acoustic demos were much better.

You're entitled to your opinion.  I wrote a song about as good lyrically as SCOM when I was in HS, but I didn't have Izzy and Slash to turn it into a great song.  SCOM is about as simple as you can get from a lyrical perspective.  It may be poetic, it may be beautiful, but it's no different than the emo fluff out there today other than Axl Rose wrote it, so that makes it better.  It doesn't work that way.  There's nothing wrong with simple, but you need to accept it for what it is.  I love SCOM, I love NR and Estranged.  Axl's songs are some of my all time favorites, but they are what they are...pansy songs saved by some good to amazing guitar work.

I expect some resistance from a GnR site obviously, but I really figured some of the old timers would be able to look at it more honestly than they did when they were 16.  Axl Rose = Hinder and all the other fluff bands out there minus the name Guns N' Roses.  He writes pansy songs about how sad his life is now that he, I mean others, fucked it up - that's pretty emo.  There's nothing wrong with it, but it is what it is and pretending otherwise because it was released under the name Guns N' Roses is irresponsible.  The name lost it's value when the key rock guys were removed from the equation (both old and new bands).

#5669 Re: Guns N' Roses » And Here ... We ... Go. » 911 weeks ago

tejastech08 wrote:
buzzsaw wrote:

The truth doesn't give up bigbri.  So far, nothing (and I mean nothing) has happened to prove me wrong.  Where are the number 1 singles?  Do you really think the album is going to sell after the first couple of days based on 2 singles with mixed (at best) reviews?  Shit - you guys don't even know what songs are good and which ones suck.

Anybody that thinks Axl is a good singer go download some boots, then play the albums.  That will put a quick end to that debate.  Again, he didn't rerecord the live era vocals because they were good, did he?  Surely he could have found 25 songs that had good vocals on them with all the material out there, right?  Nothing wrong with admiring someone, but try to open both eyes.

Slash sucked ass too live. It's called being wasted and being a rock star. Ever listened to Led Zeppelin live? Just about the only great live band I've ever heard is Pink Floyd.

You need to get out and see more shows.

Edit: Shows I've seen with much better live singing than Axl: Aerosmith (several times), Van Halen (Hagar), Shinedown, Slaughter, Matchbox 20, Maroon 5, Smashing Pumpkins, Sugar Ray and I'm sure I'm forgetting others.  That's without even putting an effort into it.

#5670 Re: Guns N' Roses » And Here ... We ... Go. » 911 weeks ago

monkeychow wrote:

I'm confused Buz...are you actually saying you don't think Axl is a good vocal talent? I won't deny that he's had off days live and that perhaps he takes a while to craft what he does and a lot of takes or whatever...but when he is on...damn...do you really think he isn't a good singer?

Great singers aren't only good when they are on.  When he's on, he's one of the best as indicated by studio performances and occasional live efforts.  When he's off (most of the time live) he's pretty bad.  Sure, everyone has bad days, but Axl has had bad tours with a few good days mixed in.

I'm sure some of that has to do with the different "styles" he sings in, but that's just making excuses.  If you can't handle different styles, don't use them.  He's my favorite rock singer of all time - that doesn't mean he's the best.

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