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#6261 Re: Guns N' Roses » I wish someone would leak the damn thing... » 944 weeks ago
I was thinking about this just last night. With Robin leaving, I wonder if he has 1 or 2 other demo versions (he's got to). If so, it will be interesting if another song leaks within the next month or two (coincidental??)
#6262 Re: Guns N' Roses » If Finck is gone..... » 944 weeks ago
I agree with Supaplex, 1 shredder is enough, I wouldn't want BH & BBF in the same band & stage. Although I do hope BH rejoins. I don't see it happening.
As for Robin, could it be his contract is now over. Maybe he was 'under contract' until the album was finished. Axl has said the album is finished. So, as a free agent, with no contract for GnR that is paying him or to tour, he accepted NIN's offer. Maybe he just said 'Fuck it, I'll do it.' Does anyone know for a fact that the bandmates are getting revenue off of album sales or could they have strictly been paid a salary.
#6263 Re: Management » New format?? » 944 weeks ago
Thanks. Yeah, I just saw the thread a little while ago & came back here to update. Nice job on it (I changed it back though).
#6264 Management » New format?? » 944 weeks ago
- PaSnow
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Is this some kind of joke?? With the Robin pictures & background & all?
#6265 Re: Guns N' Roses » Axl Rose reality show proposed » 944 weeks ago
While I don't see Axl wanting to become a part of this, the article sheds light on some of the issues that are holding this up... things we've assumed, but never knew 100%...
According to sources at Geffen (Rose's music label) a version of "Chinese Democracy" has been finished and delivered to the label. But there are still outstanding issues between the singer and the label, not the least of which is a recording cost for the project which (depending on who you believe), has reached between $11 and $15 million. Another stickler is the digital rights for the tracks, along with some proposed "bonus" tracks Geffen would like to release digitally.
Digital bonus tracks? Cool.
I noticed that as well. It could have something to do with the contract being about 10 years old, and digital tracks isn't mentioned in it which a dispute over could be part of the holdup.
As for the show, Reality shows get "pitched" all the time. Although it does say the deal is "close, but not signed" that could just be a bunch of bs. Nothing factual in that statement at all, so take it at it's word. I'll believe it when I see it. It would be an awesome show though, and probably do pretty good in ratings.
#6266 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 944 weeks ago
Prediction: CD doesn't come out in 2008. NIN tour ends in late summer, Robin disappears. No announcement is ever made about the whole thing.
#6267 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 944 weeks ago
you are comparing apples to oranges there
first sentence - the album wasn't done then - it is now. it's axl's music. telling someone no i'm gonna do that to my songs is different then no, i'm not gonna listen to you as my manager when you tell me it would be best to update the fans. very different.
second sentence - i agree but doesn't change what i said or refute it. axl wouldn't need management nor would he buy the finest if he didn't want to cooperate to some extent. at this point, if they say fans need to know what is going on with robin or you should comment on dr pepper. he will do that. don't believe every horror story you've heard about him or anyone - they are almost always less than half true. in fact, yur disagreeing with my point and then doing a hypethetical based on my point to argue your point. not sure why or how you are disagreeing here.
third sentence - to say that this isn't and isn't going to continue to be complicated both in front and behind th scenes is just plain incorrect.
^^ I see, I was taking your 'mgmt' statement more as to releasing the album, not updates about Robin.
I still say Axl's his own person though. The new mgmt is likely to be telling him he 'should' update about Robin, but as to whether he agrees or not is up to Axl, not mgmt. Just because we got an update right away about the Dr Pepper thing, doesn't mean it's a new era in GnR world updating fans. But we'll see. As the saying goes "Once is an incident. Twice is a trend. Three times is a pattern"
#6268 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 944 weeks ago
you could have afforded the managers they had back then. these guys, on the contrary, are heavy hitters. look at their track record. as far as doing what axl tells them, yes, but only to an extent. he hired them to get the album out = fact because he wouldn't be paying them for anything else. you can bet they are not cheap. axl will respect them. you ask how i know all this. to me it seems obvious.
No offense, but I disagree whole-heartedly. I'm gonna tell you why. Axl's his own person, remember the story about a high-profile producer was brought in to help Axl finish the album (years ago, it was in Q Magazine article I beleive) He was a friend of the label head & came in, said "We're gonna do this, this and then this, all by this deadline and put it out by this date." Axl said OK, and the next day the guy was fired. I'm not trying to say 'Axl is the man' or anything, but he is a controlling headcase, and I don't think anybody walks in to his life and work & gives him orders. Especially people he's paying.
Secondly, you say 'he hired them to get the album out'. Yes, and if the album is completed ( which is possible) it would then be a debate between GnR's mgmt, Axl, and the label. So his mgmt would be telling the label what to do, not telling Axl. He'd balk at any suggestions his mgmt gives him that he disagrees with.
It's not complicated to release an album at this stage in GnR's game. Give them a record, ask tehy release it. Bam, done. Axl isn't asking this mgmt team "How do I put out this aalbum... help me?!" However Axl is likely asking for something with it's release. Let's look at this objectively, the album is finished, the label has spent over $13 million on it. I beleive most of this was an "advance". Therefore, they paid Axl in advance, so when the album sells, they would garnish his wages, and withhold the first $13 million he would have recv'd. The new mgmt isn't just going to say "Axl this is the label final offer, you need to accept this" and suddenly after 10+ years Axl caves in to this new great mgmt team. It's possible the mgmt team is handling the BS, Robin saw a never-ending stalemate, and decided to tour with NIN. I think it's only a tour though, I don't think he left permanantly. Although it's possible he knew GnR officially wouldn't tour this summer so he chose to tour with NIN, without telling Axl.
#6269 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 944 weeks ago
^^ If it was a surprise it would likely be Robin got fed up with waiting, and bailed.
#6270 Re: Guns N' Roses » Robin back in NIN. Temp or not is the question? » 944 weeks ago
I don't think Robin would leave if he knew GnR would tour soon. I don't think GnR would tour again without CD's release. Therefore, I don't think Robin would leave knowing CD will be released soon.
I don't think John 5 (or anyone) will be needed.
