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Re: The BATMAN Thread
Not spoiler heavy, but its not a good review and since some of the members(and guests) here may not have watched this yet and not interested in negativity clouding things, I'll go ahead and wrap it in a spoiler tag.
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I dissagree with nearly everything you said James. Except Maggie who flat out sucked. You say the characters never get established? Well you never saw Batman Begins where they establish most all of the characters so.... the Joker doesn't need establishing. he does that with his maniacly personality and it's summed up when Alfred says "Some men just want to watch the world burn". And really how did you lose focus on what the goal of each charcter was? Were you high when you saw this? 
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Wow, another post of Bono's that i agree with entirely!
The characters really were established in the first movie, at least all the ones that needed to be anyway. The Joker doesn't need that because he's a psychopath, you're not supposed to really understand him.
Harvey Dent was in the first one, but as far as establishing his character goes, i feel they did a good job portraying him as this guy who wants so desperately to fight for what's right at all costs, but he is faced with this monster that can't be beaten at his own game.
It was just the direction they took with Dent that threw me off a little. Doesn't take away from the film too much i think though.
The goal of the Joker is simple. The goals of Harvey and Batman are meant to seem a little muddy, because they themselves become conflicted throughout the movie.
Another thing i can't get about what you said James is how Bale makes a bad Batman. He is way better than any Batman we've seen, and i think he really gets into the character well and does a good job with it.
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What's there to "get"? Its not like its a complex storyline that only film majors can attempt to decipher. In actuality, its pretty safe fluff presented as some mature, dark, twisted tale, and required the use of shoddy editing techniques to even catapult the story along.
Oh, and you heard it here first.....
Ledger will not be nominated for an Oscar.
Thank the editor if you need to thank anyone.
When the "high" from this film finally subsides, you will hear others pointing out similar issues like I am doing now.
I would seriously like to see a re-edit of this film.
This is ironic James considering you said it was difficult to follow and you found yourself losing focus on what each characters goal was 
How could Ledger not be nominated? If your complaint is that he didn't get enough face time then isn't it even more impressive that he was able to create thsi psycotic performance in a smaller amount of time? It was a mind blowing performance and in my opinion no you couldn't list a whole lot of performances better. Fuck if that dude in No Country for Old Men wins an Oscar Ledger should win 12. Ledger's performance is one of the all time great movie performances period. I personally think it ruled and I don't believe you'll hear more critics regarding his performance or the editing months from now.
Look I'm not a super hero fan by any means. I hate the Spider Man movies, I hated all the Batman movies before Batman Begins, The Hulk movies are a mess, X-Men sucked, the Superman reboot sucked and the old ones are good only cause of the nostalgia factor. I don't even own a comic book and never have but Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are kick ass movies.
I dont' know James. I'm not trying to be an ass here by any means but I really get the sense you just didn't understand(for lack of a better word) the movie or that you expected something completely different. You really shoudl've watched BB first for your charcater development. I told you to watch that movie first!!!
As for the plot like tejastech08 has said Harvey was the plot. Without his character there's no conflict for Bruce Wayne. Without Harvey there's no fork placed in Batman's road. Without him there's no "white Knight" to take the Dark Knight's place in restoring Gotham.
As for Bale, he's the best Batman ever by far. He nails the playboy billionaire role, he kills as Batman. I mean Keaton, Kilmer and Clooney suck in comparison.
I'm just really surprised you dont' like this movie James. For me 99.9% of all movies are see it once and forget it. BB and TDK are far, far, far from that. I own the Star Wars movies, the LOTR movies and Batman Begins. That says all you need to know about how I feel.
To answer whether or not I'd like the Joker brought back? FUCK NO! I thought it was lame replacing a bit character in Rachel Dawes there's no way I'd support anyone other than Ledger playing the Joker. Johnny Depp? Please! 
Everyone always raves about Depp but I think he's vastly overrated. Heath's Joker fucking destroys anything Depp has ever done in my mind. All I know is when an actor or actress hypnotizes you every time they are on the screen that's a fucking grand slam performance and Heath did that for me in TDK. Retire the Joker.
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I don't think it's fair to bury the Joker with Heath. The character doesn't belong to him, and although I agree with him owning the role, I don't think it should die with him.
Then again, I trust the Nolans, so I agree with whatever they decide to do with The Joker.
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This is ironic James considering you said it was difficult to follow and you found yourself losing focus on what each characters goal was
You misunderstood. The story itself wasn't hard to follow, its how they edited the film to go back and forth so quickly and at unexpected times. It caused me to lose interest very quickly.
I cant believe I'm the only person here bitching about this issue. Am I really the only voice of reason?:haha:
I do wish I had watched Begins first.
James:
I'm still hung up on you listing "Friday The 13th Part 2" and yet TDK is not good.
To each their own I guess. I didn't know potato sack Jason is > TDK
P.S.
F13-P2 is better than the original
Well, you rate II ahead of the original, so it means you must appreciate that film as well.
I cant compare this movie to other superhero shit because I don't watch those. That first Spiderman film was a joke(liked the video game though), so didn't watch the others. Tried Ironman and wasn't impressed. The Hulk movie from a few years ago was dog shit. Hated the 89 Batman film.
So when I compare this Batman film to something, it has to be judged by my taste in films. Also, people claim its one of the greatest performances of all time, so comparing it to non superhero films is valid.
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Oh to answer your question, yes I was high. That always enhances the film experience though.
I'd fall asleep.
I guess the editing thing is a personal prefrence. It was the ploar opposite of say the LOTR movies(and books) the editing in those films is such where they spend 20 minutes on one scene with a few actors. So long to where you forget about the other characters. Then they switch and you're like oh yeah these guys again. LOTR is so driven by the story telling aspact of it where as TDK is in essence an action film so I felt the editing kept things moving. I will agree on one thing though. It would have been nice to have one scene with the Joker all by himself. Ala the scene in LOTR where Gollam has a conversation with himself(Smeagol). That would've been truely amazing.
I don't think it's fair to bury the Joker with Heath. The character doesn't belong to him, and although I agree with him owning the role, I don't think it should die with him.
I don't necessarily mean retire the Joker forever just for this paticular franhcise that Nolan as come up with. Like you I trust the vision of this franhcise so I would like to see a third installment 100%. I dont' thin they'd fuck it it up at all.
Do you guys think Tom Cruise could pull off the Riddler? I like Cruise as an actor and part of me can see this being a good fit but I wonder if he'd be too big of a star. Would it be too "Tom Cruise"? he'd be better than Jim Carey though that's for damn sure:haha:
