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March 1, 2018
Parkland Pro-Gun-Control Students Receiving Backing From Major Liberal Groups
The activism appears to have a political component heading into the November 2018 congressional elections.
HOO-ME.COM / MEDIAPUNCH/AP IMAGES NEWS
Robert Jonathan
In the aftermath of the horrific Valentine’s Day mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, the debate over ways to effectively address gun violence to some degree involves weighing security versus liberty. Against this backdrop, the hope is that reasonable people can find common ground in implementing reforms. Partisan politics seem also to be playing a role, however.
Although there are obviously areas of disagreement, President Trump and legislators from both sides of the aisle have floated ideas such as strengthening the background check system (which often contains incomplete information that allows bad actors to slip through), preventing gun purchases for those under 21, banning bump stocks, arming teachers who have voluntarily undergone training and where permitted by school boards, temporary restraining orders that might allow authorities to confiscate weapons immediately, and other measures. Some have proposed removing so-called assault rifles from the marketplace completely.
Florida Gov. Rick Scott has also unveiled a school safety plan that includes stationing a cop in every public school and imposing restrictions on the ability of those deemed mentally ill from buying or possessing firearms.
Controversy has surrounded whether the recent CNN televised town hall on gun violence was or wasn’t scripted in a way that pushed a gun control, anti-National-Rifle-Association agenda and otherwise politicized a horrible tragedy. Fair or unfair, similar criticism has been leveled at student activists who have been featured prominently in the media before, during, and after the town hall criticizing the NRA and mostly Republican pro-Second Amendment politicians.
As widely reported, however, the Broward County Sheriff’s Department and the FBI received multiple warnings about the shooter prior to February 14 but failed to take action. Moreover, one or more deputies on the scene stayed outside the school and failed to confront the Parkland gunman.
“The Stoneman Douglas High School shooting prompted backlash from some students and gun control advocates against the National Rifle Association and gun industry for being ‘complicit,'” the Washington Free Beacon summarized.
That said, the Miami Herald reports that under existing laws, the shooter’s “troubling behavior gave law enforcement plenty of opportunities to investigate and arrest him — and even take away his guns — long before he shot up Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School…according to interviews with former South Florida prosecutors and legal experts.”
Going forward, BuzzFeed News indicates that the grassroots #NeverAgain movement that arose from the Parkland shooting is now getting big-time support with its messaging and outreach from liberal, Democrat-aligned groups with an identified gun control agenda.
“Several large progressive organizations, donors, and a high-powered public relations firm are backing the March for Our Lives movement, which is quickly evolving from a student-run social media effort to end gun violence into one backed by some of the most influential activists in the country. In the days after the shooting in Parkland…the teenage survivors of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School were impossible to ignore. They blanketed cable news coverage, built a massive following on social media, and began to organize a rally in the country’s capital in support of gun reform….Since then, major players and organizations — including Everytown, Giffords, Move On, Planned Parenthood, and the Women’s March LA — told BuzzFeed News they are helping the students with logistics, strategy, and planning for next month’s March for Our Lives rally and beyond.”
liberal democratic groups pushing Parkland student activists
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Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the former chair of the Democratic National Committee, told BuzzFeed that she has advised the students on “communication strategy.”
The March for Our Lives event is scheduled for March 24 in Washington, D.C., and other cities. An official from the Los Angeles Women’s March, which was generally an anti-Trump protest, is helping the student activists obtain a permit for the D.C. march, BuzzFeed added.
USA Today reports that the Michael-Bloomberg-funded Moms Demand Action gun control group has launched a new initiative, Students Demand Action, to press for firearms reforms.
The support from the high-profile groups also has a political component, USA Today similarly asserted.
“But, alongside those [student grassroots] efforts, well-financed national groups are working to provide logistical and financial support to help turn that outrage into a sustained effort to rein in access to the nation’s deadliest guns. They also are hoping to transform that teen anger into votes that could shape November’s midterm elections for Congress.”
The students recently traveled to Capitol Hill to meet with several Democratic politicians such as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, as well as Paul Ryan, the GOP Speaker of the House.
Some Hollywood movers and shakers have also contributed large amounts of cash to back the #NeverAgain movement and the upcoming march. Critics of this kind of funding have insisted that some studios and stars have profited greatly from producing films and TV shows featuring excessive gunplay and other forms of violence.
“With $3.5 million suddenly at their disposal, this core group of roughly 20 teenagers — still grieving the loss of 17 classmates and school mentors — has enough money to fund a a national march and a revolution. They’re now beginning to consider the long-game: a lasting movement to keep the pressure on pro-gun politicians and the National Rifle Association,” the Miami Herald observed.
TMZ claims that given their celebrity status, at least two of the students “have been in talks with publishers for book deals. The deals haven’t been inked… the students are in the meeting phase with book honchos,” for gun control tomes.
“We’re also told that some of the students have been getting help from high-profile publicists to field requests and schedule media appearances. A lot of these kids have been all over the news lately, so it’d make sense they’re not handling all these bookings solo,” TMZ added.
Other forms of activism that are apparently on the horizon from the allied groups are school walkouts on March 14 and April 20 and a voter registration drive in districts represented by Republicans who have received NRA campaign contributions.
Added: One Parkland student has already signed a mass email from the Democratic National Committee urging people to vote for Democrats in the 2018 midterm elections, the Daily Caller reported.
Re: US Politics Thread
Yeah.....
March 1, 2018
Parkland Pro-Gun-Control Students Receiving Backing From Major Liberal Groups
The activism appears to have a political component heading into the November 2018 congressional elections.
HOO-ME.COM / MEDIAPUNCH/AP IMAGES NEWS
Robert Jonathan
In the aftermath of the horrific Valentine’s Day mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, the debate over ways to effectively address gun violence to some degree involves weighing security versus liberty. Against this backdrop, the hope is that reasonable people can find common ground in implementing reforms. Partisan politics seem also to be playing a role, however.Although there are obviously areas of disagreement, President Trump and legislators from both sides of the aisle have floated ideas such as strengthening the background check system (which often contains incomplete information that allows bad actors to slip through), preventing gun purchases for those under 21, banning bump stocks, arming teachers who have voluntarily undergone training and where permitted by school boards, temporary restraining orders that might allow authorities to confiscate weapons immediately, and other measures. Some have proposed removing so-called assault rifles from the marketplace completely.
Florida Gov. Rick Scott has also unveiled a school safety plan that includes stationing a cop in every public school and imposing restrictions on the ability of those deemed mentally ill from buying or possessing firearms.
Controversy has surrounded whether the recent CNN televised town hall on gun violence was or wasn’t scripted in a way that pushed a gun control, anti-National-Rifle-Association agenda and otherwise politicized a horrible tragedy. Fair or unfair, similar criticism has been leveled at student activists who have been featured prominently in the media before, during, and after the town hall criticizing the NRA and mostly Republican pro-Second Amendment politicians.
As widely reported, however, the Broward County Sheriff’s Department and the FBI received multiple warnings about the shooter prior to February 14 but failed to take action. Moreover, one or more deputies on the scene stayed outside the school and failed to confront the Parkland gunman.
“The Stoneman Douglas High School shooting prompted backlash from some students and gun control advocates against the National Rifle Association and gun industry for being ‘complicit,'” the Washington Free Beacon summarized.
That said, the Miami Herald reports that under existing laws, the shooter’s “troubling behavior gave law enforcement plenty of opportunities to investigate and arrest him — and even take away his guns — long before he shot up Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School…according to interviews with former South Florida prosecutors and legal experts.”
Going forward, BuzzFeed News indicates that the grassroots #NeverAgain movement that arose from the Parkland shooting is now getting big-time support with its messaging and outreach from liberal, Democrat-aligned groups with an identified gun control agenda.
“Several large progressive organizations, donors, and a high-powered public relations firm are backing the March for Our Lives movement, which is quickly evolving from a student-run social media effort to end gun violence into one backed by some of the most influential activists in the country. In the days after the shooting in Parkland…the teenage survivors of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School were impossible to ignore. They blanketed cable news coverage, built a massive following on social media, and began to organize a rally in the country’s capital in support of gun reform….Since then, major players and organizations — including Everytown, Giffords, Move On, Planned Parenthood, and the Women’s March LA — told BuzzFeed News they are helping the students with logistics, strategy, and planning for next month’s March for Our Lives rally and beyond.”
liberal democratic groups pushing Parkland student activists
Hoo-Me.com / MediaPunch/AP Images
Florida Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the former chair of the Democratic National Committee, told BuzzFeed that she has advised the students on “communication strategy.”The March for Our Lives event is scheduled for March 24 in Washington, D.C., and other cities. An official from the Los Angeles Women’s March, which was generally an anti-Trump protest, is helping the student activists obtain a permit for the D.C. march, BuzzFeed added.
USA Today reports that the Michael-Bloomberg-funded Moms Demand Action gun control group has launched a new initiative, Students Demand Action, to press for firearms reforms.
The support from the high-profile groups also has a political component, USA Today similarly asserted.
“But, alongside those [student grassroots] efforts, well-financed national groups are working to provide logistical and financial support to help turn that outrage into a sustained effort to rein in access to the nation’s deadliest guns. They also are hoping to transform that teen anger into votes that could shape November’s midterm elections for Congress.”
The students recently traveled to Capitol Hill to meet with several Democratic politicians such as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, as well as Paul Ryan, the GOP Speaker of the House.
Some Hollywood movers and shakers have also contributed large amounts of cash to back the #NeverAgain movement and the upcoming march. Critics of this kind of funding have insisted that some studios and stars have profited greatly from producing films and TV shows featuring excessive gunplay and other forms of violence.
“With $3.5 million suddenly at their disposal, this core group of roughly 20 teenagers — still grieving the loss of 17 classmates and school mentors — has enough money to fund a a national march and a revolution. They’re now beginning to consider the long-game: a lasting movement to keep the pressure on pro-gun politicians and the National Rifle Association,” the Miami Herald observed.
TMZ claims that given their celebrity status, at least two of the students “have been in talks with publishers for book deals. The deals haven’t been inked… the students are in the meeting phase with book honchos,” for gun control tomes.
“We’re also told that some of the students have been getting help from high-profile publicists to field requests and schedule media appearances. A lot of these kids have been all over the news lately, so it’d make sense they’re not handling all these bookings solo,” TMZ added.
Other forms of activism that are apparently on the horizon from the allied groups are school walkouts on March 14 and April 20 and a voter registration drive in districts represented by Republicans who have received NRA campaign contributions.
Added: One Parkland student has already signed a mass email from the Democratic National Committee urging people to vote for Democrats in the 2018 midterm elections, the Daily Caller reported.
What’s the point?
Oh wow you really cracked the case on this one....it’s kind of mind boggling to think you have a point.
Your saying the evil liberals might have something to do with all this? BFD.
Re: US Politics Thread
What’s the point?
Oh wow you really cracked the case on this one....it’s kind of mind boggling to think you have a point.
Your saying the evil liberals might have something to do with all this? BFD.
You know, Mitch, just fuck off. You're always whining and crying about something, which is fuckin old. The article showed they are being led by democratic interest groups and are campaigning for democrats, which was stated just above that it wasn't a political movement, they aren't political, etc. That was my point that I somehow managed to put together.
The kids have a real position they believe in, I respect that. I don't respect the 4 douchebag, phony, fame whores who are sponsored by myriad of liberal groups and are in no way grass roots.
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Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:What’s the point?
Oh wow you really cracked the case on this one....it’s kind of mind boggling to think you have a point.
Your saying the evil liberals might have something to do with all this? BFD.
You know, Mitch, just fuck off. You're always whining and crying about something, which is fuckin old. The article showed they are being led by democratic interest groups and are campaigning for democrats, which was stated just above that it wasn't a political movement, they aren't political, etc. That was my point that I somehow managed to put together.
The kids have a real position they believe in, I respect that. I don't respect the 4 douchebag, phony, fame whores who are sponsored by myriad of liberal groups and are in no way grass roots.
Mitch got knocked the fucked out!
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Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:What’s the point?
Oh wow you really cracked the case on this one....it’s kind of mind boggling to think you have a point.
Your saying the evil liberals might have something to do with all this? BFD.
You know, Mitch, just fuck off. You're always whining and crying about something, which is fuckin old. The article showed they are being led by democratic interest groups and are campaigning for democrats, which was stated just above that it wasn't a political movement, they aren't political, etc. That was my point that I somehow managed to put together.
The kids have a real position they believe in, I respect that. I don't respect the 4 douchebag, phony, fame whores who are sponsored by myriad of liberal groups and are in no way grass roots.
Agree with ID. These mother fvckers are in it for themselves and are trying to get rich and famous off a tragedy. They are so fvcking phony and contrived. This was their meal ticket to stardom and will milk it for every penny. This was a damn horrible event. I feel sorry for everyone but this Hogg mother fucker has the most punchable face I have ever seen and now they are democratic operatives. TRUMP WAS GOING ALONG WITH WHAT THEY WANT! For fvcks sake... Jesus.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:What’s the point?
Oh wow you really cracked the case on this one....it’s kind of mind boggling to think you have a point.
Your saying the evil liberals might have something to do with all this? BFD.
You know, Mitch, just fuck off. You're always whining and crying about something, which is fuckin old. The article showed they are being led by democratic interest groups and are campaigning for democrats, which was stated just above that it wasn't a political movement, they aren't political, etc. That was my point that I somehow managed to put together.
The kids have a real position they believe in, I respect that. I don't respect the 4 douchebag, phony, fame whores who are sponsored by myriad of liberal groups and are in no way grass roots.
Funny how you pick and choose when you’re worried about this...
Awww you’re worried about how politics work in this country? I’ve watched the Republicans write the play book on this for the last ten years so your pleas are falling in deaf ears.
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Re: US Politics Thread
misterID wrote:mitchejw wrote:What’s the point?
Oh wow you really cracked the case on this one....it’s kind of mind boggling to think you have a point.
Your saying the evil liberals might have something to do with all this? BFD.
You know, Mitch, just fuck off. You're always whining and crying about something, which is fuckin old. The article showed they are being led by democratic interest groups and are campaigning for democrats, which was stated just above that it wasn't a political movement, they aren't political, etc. That was my point that I somehow managed to put together.
The kids have a real position they believe in, I respect that. I don't respect the 4 douchebag, phony, fame whores who are sponsored by myriad of liberal groups and are in no way grass roots.
Funny how you pick and choose when you’re worried about this...
Awww you’re worried about how politics work in this country? I’ve watched the Republicans write the play book on this for the last ten years so your pleas are falling in deaf ears.
What are you talking about? There's no counter to this. There isn't some group of NRA kids backed by the GOP talking about how we need to lock up all nut jobs and deranged people to keep them away from guns. He's saying the entire movement is bullshit. Kids looking for a buck and their 15 minutes, being funded and managed by liberal activists. That when people come in here posting about "why won't you think of the children", and pretending these chodes are anything but fame whores, completely devoid of an intelligent and cohesive message or idea, they're really part of a larger argument on gun violence and show a dramatic change. It's literally adolescent posturing and immaturity. These two 17 year olds symbolize the entire Jimmy Kimmel style discussion or argument on guns, with all the immaturity and arrogance a 17 year old attractive, wealthy, white male teenager in fucking Florida can offer.
Let's have a discussion, because this shit matters. But come to the table with information and facts. Not hysteria and guilt ridden, emotional bullshit. This is why the democratic party keeps losing. Even when they're on the right side, they demonstrate their position like a 24 year old sorority girl who majored in feminism. No one wants to hear that shit, or be manipulated into feeling guilty for something that isn't even true. Schumer should be demanding action. He would have the public support to demand action in the Senate. It's what the people collectively want. Trump would go along. They already have a solid background check bill to build on. Don't be stupid, but go after universal background checks that compel states and agencies to comply, ban bump stocks, and try to raise the age to purchase any semi-automatic rifle until the age of 21. It won't stop every mass shooting, but it would have stopped this one. And the church massacre in Texas. And the church massacre in South Carolina. Democrats would universally support this, Trump would support that, most of the NRA would support that, and you'd get a bunch of Republicans who would support that. It's something that has almost universal public support and doesn't infringe on anyone's right or fall prey to the myth that assault weapons are some statistically significant event in America's gun violence. But it will prevent 3 very public and horrific mass shootings from happening again.
But rather than leading, the Democrats are largely remaining quiet, letting the media and these liberal political groups fund these kids and pretend it's some kind of organic, grassroots, youth uprising. Anyone spreading that message or championing these fame whores on is directly contributing to the kind of mass manipulation Russia uses to influence the election. Prop people up and create a story around them to imply their argument or claim has some merit. It's bunk, and for someone who seems to consider themselves an informed voter, you should acknowledge that and fight disinformation and manipulation regardless of where it comes from.
But to the original point, there is no equal behavior on the right. This is no different than Clinton rolling out the Kahn's during the DNC convention and tried to pretend you couldn't disrespect them by disagreeing. It's a common tactic developed by the left, rollout "victims" to push an agenda, then attack anyone as a hateful, disgusting human being for disagreeing with the "victims" rather than discuss the idea.
Re: US Politics Thread
mitchejw wrote:misterID wrote:You know, Mitch, just fuck off. You're always whining and crying about something, which is fuckin old. The article showed they are being led by democratic interest groups and are campaigning for democrats, which was stated just above that it wasn't a political movement, they aren't political, etc. That was my point that I somehow managed to put together.
The kids have a real position they believe in, I respect that. I don't respect the 4 douchebag, phony, fame whores who are sponsored by myriad of liberal groups and are in no way grass roots.
Funny how you pick and choose when you’re worried about this...
Awww you’re worried about how politics work in this country? I’ve watched the Republicans write the play book on this for the last ten years so your pleas are falling in deaf ears.
What are you talking about? There's no counter to this. There isn't some group of NRA kids backed by the GOP talking about how we need to lock up all nut jobs and deranged people to keep them away from guns. He's saying the entire movement is bullshit. Kids looking for a buck and their 15 minutes, being funded and managed by liberal activists. That when people come in here posting about "why won't you think of the children", and pretending these chodes are anything but fame whores, completely devoid of an intelligent and cohesive message or idea, they're really part of a larger argument on gun violence and show a dramatic change. It's literally adolescent posturing and immaturity. These two 17 year olds symbolize the entire Jimmy Kimmel style discussion or argument on guns, with all the immaturity and arrogance a 17 year old attractive, wealthy, white male teenager in fucking Florida can offer.
Let's have a discussion, because this shit matters. But come to the table with information and facts. Not hysteria and guilt ridden, emotional bullshit. This is why the democratic party keeps losing. Even when they're on the right side, they demonstrate their position like a 24 year old sorority girl who majored in feminism. No one wants to hear that shit, or be manipulated into feeling guilty for something that isn't even true. Schumer should be demanding action. He would have the public support to demand action in the Senate. It's what the people collectively want. Trump would go along. They already have a solid background check bill to build on. Don't be stupid, but go after universal background checks that compel states and agencies to comply, ban bump stocks, and try to raise the age to purchase any semi-automatic rifle until the age of 21. It won't stop every mass shooting, but it would have stopped this one. And the church massacre in Texas. And the church massacre in South Carolina. Democrats would universally support this, Trump would support that, most of the NRA would support that, and you'd get a bunch of Republicans who would support that. It's something that has almost universal public support and doesn't infringe on anyone's right or fall prey to the myth that assault weapons are some statistically significant event in America's gun violence. But it will prevent 3 very public and horrific mass shootings from happening again.
But rather than leading, the Democrats are largely remaining quiet, letting the media and these liberal political groups fund these kids and pretend it's some kind of organic, grassroots, youth uprising. Anyone spreading that message or championing these fame whores on is directly contributing to the kind of mass manipulation Russia uses to influence the election. Prop people up and create a story around them to imply their argument or claim has some merit. It's bunk, and for someone who seems to consider themselves an informed voter, you should acknowledge that and fight disinformation and manipulation regardless of where it comes from.
But to the original point, there is no equal behavior on the right. This is no different than Clinton rolling out the Kahn's during the DNC convention and tried to pretend you couldn't disrespect them by disagreeing. It's a common tactic developed by the left, rollout "victims" to push an agenda, then attack anyone as a hateful, disgusting human being for disagreeing with the "victims" rather than discuss the idea.
Omg....is this for real?
Tell you what...give teachers their guns and then declare it a victory with zero analysis....that’s the republican propaganda....
Destroying unions and blaming the poor and the immigrants for the 2008 economic crash....my goodness what a halo the conservatives wear...
There is no debate for me...i see propaganda for what it is....
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