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slcpunk
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

slcpunk wrote:
Smoking Guns wrote:

Hillary is a liar that will do ANYTHING to get elected.

She is in scandal after scandal weather it be Bengazi, Emails, the Clinton Foundation, being for TPP before being against it, in bed with the shady DNC that rigged the election to her, and a huge fucking liar. That said she would be much better than Obama, but Obama is more likeable. Clinton comes off as a huge bitch. Obama seems cool, just clueless. Like he is smart and dumb at the same time.

She's been in "Scandal after scandal" and exonerated for each one over the last 30 years. Again I ask you guys, how could this be? You could this be that the same group of people who spend MILLIONS of dollars to prosecute her (Republicans) always find her innocent?

Either she's amazingly elusive, or the GOP has created a cartoon character villain to attack that simply does not exist. Just like Obama coming for your guns...never happened did it? There is a reason for all this.

slcpunk
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

slcpunk wrote:
James Lofton wrote:

— ”California, who you voting for?” Trump got 55%, compared to 45% for Clinton. In the latest Public Policy Institute of California poll, Clinton has a 16-point advantage over Trump, 46% to 30%.

Even though I did initially believe he could take CA if he focused on it, I find that hard to believe. He's barely campaigned here at all. Yeah people see him on TV/social media on a daily basis but this strategy of just sound bites and not actually discussing issues isn't going to work in the long run...not when it comes to specific states. You mentioned the Hitler-Goebbels strategy earlier and while it certainly works in specific situations, telling huge lies repeatedly until they become truth isn't going to win him CA, OH, FL, PA, etc. The fact that his statements are so obscene(Obama founded ISIS, have Americans tried in military courts, etc.) isn't doing him any favors. He went from "telling it like it is"(his initial appeal) to "telling it like it isn't" awfully damn quick.

He's not willing to do any real campaigning. GOing on TV calling Hillary a liar or tweeting that Ted Cruz is a loser isn't going to cut the mustard.

If he wanted to win the presidency based on sound bites, slogans, and feel good rhetoric, he should have studied the 1984 election but even then its not the same.....Reagan had the advantage of being the incumbent and insanely popular.....even among democrats.


As I suspected a couple of months back, Trump doesn't have a clue of how to run a national campaign or what he's up against with the Clinton machine. What worked in the primary wasn't going to cut it for the General. For instance in Florida Trump currently only has one field office set up. By this point in the game the GOP candidate usually has about a dozen offices in the Sunshine state. Think about how important Florida is, and he's got...one office with three months to go. In the meantime he's been focusing on states he has zero chance in, such as...Connecticut.

slcpunk
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

slcpunk wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Instead, CNN, NY Times, WaPo, etc are merely only one of many voices twittering about, and fact-checking is easier to do than ever. Hillary and her media dogs spend millions on messaging, while all Donald has to do is send a tweet and his narrative is immediately absorbed. Furthermore, in terms of numbers, she has a gang of bullies on social media, while we have amassed an army. Take a look at Reddit sometime if you don’t believe me.

The media is run by extremely clever people who know what they are doing. Their onslaught against Donald will almost certainly have some scratching their heads about what is going on with the campaign, and why Donald seems, for once, to be on the defensive.

All I will say to that is, there is a plan. There is a strategy. There is a method at work here. When the enemy has you surrounded—that only means there’s no way for them to escape. We are right where we want to be in August.

http://www.returnofkings.com/93212/why- … -will-fail

What a source!

Return Of Kings is a blog for heterosexual, masculine men. It’s meant for a small but vocal collection of men in America today who believe men should be masculine and women should be feminine.

ROK aims to usher the return of the masculine man in a world where masculinity is being increasingly punished and shamed in favor of creating an androgynous and politically-correct society that allows women to assert superiority and control over men. Sadly, yesterday’s masculinity is today’s misogyny. The site intends to be a safe space on the web for those men who don’t agree with the direction that Western culture is headed. If you are new, check out our top 35 posts of all time.

Women and homosexuals are strongly discouraged from commenting here.

James
 Rep: 644 

Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

James wrote:
Cramer wrote:

As I suspected a couple of months back, Trump doesn't have a clue of how to run a national campaign or what he's up against with the Clinton machine. What worked in the primary wasn't going to cut it for the General. For instance in Florida Trump currently only has one field office set up. By this point in the game the GOP candidate usually has about a dozen offices in the Sunshine state. Think about how important Florida is, and he's got...one office with three months to go. In the meantime he's been focusing on states he has zero chance in, such as...Connecticut.



Yeah....no ground troops. That fact also shows how superficial his support is.....its a mirage. No one is willing to pound the pavement til their knuckles bleed....including the candidate himself.

If he thinks a national campaign literally means national and tweeting from his plane as he lands at some airport for a rally is all that's required, he's got it ass backwards. State by state, city by city,  county by county, house to house. He wont even bother to pretend any of this is happening with a few photo ops.

If he's going to spend time in blue states, he should be all over CA instead of Connecticut. This state is crucial for one of the main things that got him attention......"the wall"......yet crickets chirp. How strongly does he believe in this wall if he's not even willing to campaign in the states this wall would span?

polluxlm
 Rep: 208 

Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

polluxlm wrote:
Cramer wrote:
polluxlm wrote:

Instead, CNN, NY Times, WaPo, etc are merely only one of many voices twittering about, and fact-checking is easier to do than ever. Hillary and her media dogs spend millions on messaging, while all Donald has to do is send a tweet and his narrative is immediately absorbed. Furthermore, in terms of numbers, she has a gang of bullies on social media, while we have amassed an army. Take a look at Reddit sometime if you don’t believe me.

The media is run by extremely clever people who know what they are doing. Their onslaught against Donald will almost certainly have some scratching their heads about what is going on with the campaign, and why Donald seems, for once, to be on the defensive.

All I will say to that is, there is a plan. There is a strategy. There is a method at work here. When the enemy has you surrounded—that only means there’s no way for them to escape. We are right where we want to be in August.

http://www.returnofkings.com/93212/why- … -will-fail

What a source!

Return Of Kings is a blog for heterosexual, masculine men. It’s meant for a small but vocal collection of men in America today who believe men should be masculine and women should be feminine.

ROK aims to usher the return of the masculine man in a world where masculinity is being increasingly punished and shamed in favor of creating an androgynous and politically-correct society that allows women to assert superiority and control over men. Sadly, yesterday’s masculinity is today’s misogyny. The site intends to be a safe space on the web for those men who don’t agree with the direction that Western culture is headed. If you are new, check out our top 35 posts of all time.

Women and homosexuals are strongly discouraged from commenting here.

As much as you may want to attack the messenger, that article was written by somebody inside the Trump camp.

slashsfro
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

slashsfro wrote:
Cramer wrote:

As I suspected a couple of months back, Trump doesn't have a clue of how to run a national campaign or what he's up against with the Clinton machine. What worked in the primary wasn't going to cut it for the General. For instance in Florida Trump currently only has one field office set up. By this point in the game the GOP candidate usually has about a dozen offices in the Sunshine state. Think about how important Florida is, and he's got...one office with three months to go. In the meantime he's been focusing on states he has zero chance in, such as...Connecticut.

I actually wonder where the hell the money he has raised (80 million by last check) has gone.  It sure hasn't gone to TV ads or ground ops that's for sure.  Some of it I'm sure has gone into his own pockets.  For all the crap you guys hurl at Clinton, Trump is FAR worse at this type of stuff.  The past week there was a story where the Trump campaign made it really difficult for donors to remove their CC from the website.  Basically, unless you canceled your CC it would get charged per month whatever the donation amount was.  Clinton (or really any other website) allows you to delete your CC info from their sites.

Oh and the electoral map you have there is probably understating the amount of EV Clinton gets, I bet it is closer to 370.

polluxlm
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

polluxlm wrote:

Trump doing strong numbers in New York.

Breitbart/Gravis Poll: Clinton Leads NY 4-Way With 48%, Trump 34%, Johnson 6%, Stein 4%; Donald Gets 20% Dems, Hillary Gets 21% GOP

Democrat Hillary R. Clinton leads among Empire State voters with 48 percent, compared with 34 percent for Republican nominee Donald J. Trump and 6 percent supporting Libertarian Gary Johnson and 4 percent for Green Party nominee Dr. Jill Stein, according to the Breitbart/Gravis poll conducted between Aug. 4 through Aug. 6 with 1,717 registered voters in the Empire State.

“Secretary Clinton is still enjoying the post-convention bounce, especially it this blue state that she represented in the Senate for eight years,” said Doug Kaplan, the managing partner of Gravis Marketing, the Florida-based firm that executed the poll.

However, he said, Trump is pulling 21 percent of New York Democrats and 40 percent of New York Hispanics. “These can be troubling symptoms for Clinton if Trump continues to pull support from Democrats and other communities.”

Legendary pollster Patrick Caddell told Breitbart News exclusively that Trump’s support with Hispanics shows how his candidacy is disrupting conventional wisdom and voting pattern assumptions Democrats and the campaign of Hillary R. Clinton are relying on. Caddell did not participate in the design or execution of the poll, but he reviewed the completed results as their were presented to him.

“New York may be most interesting in the insights it provides for the presidential election everywhere,” he said. In the 2012 presidential election, President Barack Obama received 89 percent of the New York Hispanic vote and votes from 95 percent of New York Democrats, according to exit polls published by The New York Times.

“It is the disruption in partisan and ideological vote that signals the continuing fluidity of this race,” he said. “If the patterns in New York are duplicated generally in the contested states, and some normally uncontested states, then the election has by no means been decided for sure.”

One group that is supposed to be adamantly opposed to the New York City developer is Hispanics.

“Trump’s performance among Hispanics in New York is, as noted, quite significant,” said Caddell, who was the pollster for President James E. “Jimmy” Carter in 1976, George McGovern in 1972, Gary Hart in 1984 and Joe Biden in 1988.

“He not only gets 37 percent of Hispanics head-to-head with Clinton, but a four-way race actually increases his support to 40 percent, he said. “Overall, Clinton’s margin with Hispanics drops from 21 percent in a two-way race to 10 points and barely 50  percent in the four-way race.”

Among white voters, Caddell said it is another story and it is white voters, who are the backbone of Clinton’s support.

“It is with the two-thirds of white New Yorkers where Clinton slightly edges Trump in both the two-way and four-way races that helps Clinton sustain her lead,” he said.

“If Trump were winning a solid majority of white New Yorkers, as he was winning whites in many other states before his August dip, along with his showing of Hispanics, conceivably Clinton’s lead could be in single digits.”

“I think this poll has some interesting indications but by no means do I think it argues that the state will flip for Trump – nor should it,” said the pollster, who is now a Fox News insider.

Caddell also pointed to how gender was playing out in the New York electorate.

“The greatest division in this race remains gender. Clinton has a two-to-one edge among female voters and a 2 percent lead among men in the head-to-head race,” he said. “In the four-way race Trump ties Clinton with men but still loses women overwhelmingly by almost the same margin.” In the 2012 election, The New York Times exit polls showed that Obama pulled in votes from 77 percent of women and 64 percent of men.

“With whites there is good reason to believe that it is Trump’s drop with men that together have characterized his August decline,” he said. “Were Trump to regain a significant lead with men, the vast losses with women, if not significantly lessened, ultimately puts a state like New York out of reach.”

Kaplan said when in the overall poll, Clinton held a lead of 53 percent compared to 36 percent for Trump. “But this is not a two-way race and if Stein and Johnson are pulling 10 percent from the poll of voters, they could put states in play.”

Caddell said the shift from the two-way race to the four-way race tell him the race has not settled.

“In the four-way race Clinton’s margin comes down a few percent as Johnson and Stein take 10 percent and another 8 percent is Other,” Caddell said.

“The defections both major candidates suffer further defections with their party with Clinton holding only 67 percent of Democrats and Trump only 58 percent of Republicans,” he said. “Part of Trump’s game comes from the nearly quarter of independents who break towards Johnson, Stein and particularly Other, which reduces Hillary’s margin over Trump to 8 percent with New York independents, 42 percent to 34 percent.”

There are also scary figures inside the poll for Trump and his support with conservatives, he said.

“Ideologically in the four-way race, the Trump defection to Clinton among conservatives remains over 22 percent, while Clinton defections of liberals to Trump are about 12 percent,” he said. ” Meanwhile, Johnson and Stein pick up around 11 percent of slightly conservatives – equal to the percentage for Other, among those very liberal a full 11 percent vote for Stein again, emphasizing the resistance to Clinton on the far left.”

Gravis Marketing is the Florida-based firm that executed the poll. The poll was conducted from Aug. 4 through Aug. 8 and has a margin of error of ±2.4 percent at a 95 percent confidence level. The total may not round to 100 percent because of rounding. The polls were conducted using automated telephone calls, IVR technology, and online responses, with the results weighted by voting demographics.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-president … ts-21-gop/

polluxlm
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

polluxlm wrote:

Trump is pulling 21 percent of New York Democrats and 40 percent of New York Hispanics.

yikes

James
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

James wrote:

CNN just posted a clip of the average voter.....

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Some of these articles are placing too much emphasis on a "four way race". Its not. Its red vs blue. I have major doubts either of the independents can truly have a Nader effect.

How in the living fuck is Stein with her platform picking up conservatives in any state? Since when do conservatives want to gut the military, eliminate the oil industry, enact some massive "green" tax, and give everyone a government job?

PaSnow
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Re: 2016 Presidential Election Thread

PaSnow wrote:
James Lofton wrote:

CNN just posted a clip of the average voter.....

How in the living fuck is Stein with her platform picking up conservatives in any state? Since when do conservatives want to gut the military, eliminate the oil industry, enact some massive "green" tax, and give everyone a government job?


That is pretty thoughtless on their part. Anyway, I doubt either indy candidate will do anything really. A small percentage at best. Surprising, this was the year for it. I'd have thought Bernie, Bloomberg, or Liz Warren originally. Let alone now that Trump won the GOP ticket I'm surprised Jeb, Rulio, Christie or Rand Paul didn't team up & form something.

Or, somebody completely else.

In a way, I think Trump is the Ralph Nader candidate, only he won the major conventions nomination, leaving the GOP empty on this election cycle.

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