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#151 Re: Guns N' Roses » Are you glad the members of Guns N' Roses are in Guns N' Roses? » 883 weeks ago
Before Buckethead joined GNR, he'd released a total of five solo albums between '92 (Bucketheadland) and '99 (Monsters and Robots). During his four years in Guns, he released eight studio albums. He also joined forces with Village studio engineer Dan Monti, a collaboration which helped him to reach a new artistic peak. In the long run, GNR was very good for Bucket, even though at times it was an extremely frustrating environment.
Tommy was living in the shadow of Paul Westerberg, as he'd gotten a short straw as The Mats collapsed and his most recent effort, Perfect, saw the record label giving a cold shoulder at the eve of an album release. Tommy wasn't working as a full-time musician anymore; he was a telemarketer. GNR's been (again) good for Tommy, as he made the contacts necessary with Sean Beavan, Axl and Sanctuary to get a solo record produced and released. Since his GNR post, he's also appeared more regularly in various soundtracks and other instances.
Robin's the kind of guy who got into the whole deal a bit ass-backwards. He's hardly a session player, he's a live musician. Be it Downward Spiral, Fragile, or Quidam @ Cirque de Soleil, Robin's forte has seemingly been the distinctive emotion with which he performs musical pieces. He's the epitome of a solid tour player; enthusiastic enough to perform someone else's songs - yet arrogant enough to withhold any unwarranted respect or sense of nostalgia. Robin's playing has always had a 'my way or the highway' attitude in it, which was sure to rile up all the Slash-a-haulics out there. Robin, he didn't care. He made sure that even if he was rocking out AFD every night, there was no top hat to be found in his repertoire.
All the people who moan about Robin's scarce discography might actually be missing the point. Robin might not be a person who measures his own merit in studio releases. His personal first love might even be the performance-side of things, playing live before an audience, doing tunes oneself can enjoy (despite whether he'd actually written them or not) and share the good vibrations with the audience. If studio work is secondary compared to the live rush, it may not be as much a wonder that Axl was the first to offer an unexperienced session player the chance to play lead in one of the biggest bands in the world. Robin didn't sought the job out; Axl must've seen something in him and decided to go for it.
(The same thing can be said about Paul Huge; although he's the polar opposite of Robin. For Paul, the fun lay in the studio work: trying out, experimenting, tinkering. He was an unexperienced live player and Axl wanted him on board as well.)
All the studio work Robin's done since has occurred on the strength of Chinese Democracy. John Carpenter's Ghosts of Mars and Clint Mansell's Rain both happened in the laborious studio year of 2001, just Robin taking a break of re-recording parts already finished two years before. Taking his newly-gained studio experience and capitalizing on it a little.
Even LedZAerial, the Zeppelin tribute with some Cirque de Soleil associates was just another form of self-expression through music written by other people. Robin obviously had a knack for Jimmy Page and felt, again, that he could express himself through Page's riffs. There's no reason why you should push it trying imitate your heroes, when you can study their work hands-on and share the sensations they had when belting them out. Robin doesn't have to sound like Jimmy Page, he's probably more interested in taking something that's from Page and find out how much Robin he can inject into it.
Trent's known Robin for 14 years and has hired him on tours three times. Took him all this time to get Robin on studio, which should tell you something. For 14 years, Trent didn't see a studio musician, he saw a ripping live performer. He could've organized Robin to guest on NIN sessions in a flash, as both GNR and NIN were on Interscope roster. But Trent had to do two more albums while Axl was mixing his - and still Trent's not calling Robin.
Finally, The Slip. It's a rather unusual recording by NIN, as it's the live band playing their respective instrumental parts rather Trent being cooped in the studio for months on end. That's one of things Trent submitted to in order to get the album out relatively fast in the heels of Ghosts I-IV (which could've featured Robin, but didn't, btw). Therefore, Robin's appearance on The Slip, while commendable and overdue, reeks heavily of convenient timing. He came in and played, so that he could tour behind it. Sounds like the work ethics of Slash's Snakepit. Nothing wrong with that, but the creative freedom may be slightly on the slim side.
CD is still Robin's album. Somehow, I get the feeling that he would prefer to be remembered as a GNR studio musician rather than as a journeyman axe-handler (Richard Fortus, please stand up).
The one person who wasted a lot of years without doing much anything else is, sadly, Axl Rose.
great post and i agree that axl has wasted the most. i still can't believe he's 46 or whatever. a waste of talent imo. i also agree with madagas post. they all make their own decisions although i believe in my heart that most of them at one point or another thought cd was coming and never did. i'm sure working with axl is trying to say the least. i have embraced all the different members and have given them all a fair shake for gn'r is the band that changed my life and the band i stuck with through all the fuckin' shit. i want cd to succeed. i want each member to get their much deserved due credit. i'm happy with all of them in different ways.
#152 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Elimination- Final Round » 883 weeks ago
gonna say goodbye to better
#153 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Elimination- Round 7 » 884 weeks ago
the solo in twat saved it from elimination for me. tough call but i went with cd.
#154 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR, Rock Band, the VMAs and 4 albums » 884 weeks ago
great post james and 100% accurate. i, just like everybody else knows where to go to get the latest scoop on this band. it's all about the forums and for me this one is the one to go to. all the trimmings baby, no need to post about what EVERY gn'r song in order means to each person. when i log on and don't see any new news i still read all the posts since my last visit. before checking my bank, before checking my emails, before anything, i come here.
#155 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy "On the schedule" » 885 weeks ago
i admit that i am hoping for success for cd. on the other hand if it doesn't do well i guess i won't be to suprised. many unfulfilled years have gone by. i have to learn not to get personally bothered by members who look at things with they're brain instead of they're hearts. hearts get killed.....it's why if i was a gambling man regarding sports or gn'r i would be homeless.
#156 Re: Guns N' Roses » Shackler's Revenge: REALLY confirmed » 885 weeks ago
this site has definately got alot to offer and i enjoy it all but yeah for me it's pretty much all about the gn'r. i assume by your avatar tommie that you are a sheild fan. i can't wait for it to start in september. seems like alot of shit going down in september.
#157 Re: Guns N' Roses » Shackler's Revenge: REALLY confirmed » 885 weeks ago
Communist China wrote:Where is that info coming from? I'm starting to get a little worried that it could be Better...
I was thinking the early descriptuions were like that...but then the you tube guys comments make it sound more like a track similar to rhiad to me now.
I think its going to be a new track...with a poppy hook like better, a general industrial vibe similar to OMG or Shackler, and an obvious Jordan style bucket breakdown in the middle of things....
i think you are dead on and that sounds perfect to me.
#158 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy "On the schedule" » 885 weeks ago
I dont' see anyone denying the reach of Rockband compared to HD.
Oh My God was originally thought to be the comback of Gn'R and that flopped. Again though Rockband is bigger than a movie sondtrack.
It makes no difference though. Each time it's bigger and more relevant and each time it falls on it's face. I don't see the difference here really. Just more of the same. People who preach they won't believe it untill they have a solid release date or actually hear a single on radio are once again going back on those words allowing their emotions and excitement to take over completely. Maybe it's different for me since none of it excites me anymore. I mean the album could come out next week and will I buy it? No. So maybe it's just easier for me to stay "grounded" for lack of a better word.
One thing people are forgetting or refusing to aknowledeg or just don't know about is this "relase date time frame" is scheduled to happen around the same time as U2's new album. Is that the actual plan? After all this time they're gonna put out an album at or around the same time as a U2 release? Talk about bad timeing for Gn'R. They arent' that stupid are they? This is reason enough for me to believe it's not happening. Unless it's an ego thing and Axl wants to go head to head with an absolute giant. Good luck.
you're opinions are facts only in your mind. i believe your time is wasted here and cannot understand how you could call bono ( the real bono ) and u2 a giant compared to axl and gn'r. i believe cd will be released regardless of who it goes up against and i believe it will be a success. that is my OPINION.
#159 Re: Guns N' Roses » POLL: BH Returning? » 885 weeks ago
i based my vote on hope. i think it makes the most sence to have bucket on board as long as his crazy skills are all over this album. the most dynamic vocalist with the most dynamic guitarist is a recipe for success.
#160 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Tracklisting Speculation » 886 weeks ago
James Lofton wrote:I consider CD and Riyadh the strongest tracks so far(never thought I'd say that about Riyadh), and if neither makes the album, there better be something out of this world taking their place.
you cant even spell it right
i think james has been spelling it right all along. i for one have been misspelling this for the past 7 years or whatever.