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#2311 Re: Guns N' Roses » what are we disappointed with? » 934 weeks ago

I think we're happy to finally get the album, whether it met our expectations or didn't, but we're disappointed cause we believed Axl's words over the years about proper promotion and huge, long-lasting world tours, we hoped that we'd know the whole story (remember the wishlist for CD? - people were more interested to see the story in linear notes of the songs that make the album than how much they cared about the actual track list). We hoped that GN'R (Axl) would rule the world again.

Instead of this we got no interviews, no tv apperances, no tour, a rushed booklet, very few new music (for us), and a flop on the charts.

#2312 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago

faldor wrote:

I think the sales showed only the people who were really interested in this album bought it... The public decided long ago that they didn't think THIS was GNR... And before people start with the reunion talk.  Slash and Duff did plenty of promotion for Libertad and that didn't work out too well either, so I'm not sold that their inclusion would make a difference either.  The interest in the Guns N' Roses brand name just isn't what it used to be, and it's been that way for quite some time now.  Some people have to realize that and accept it for what it is.  It's not 1992 anymore, I hate to tell you.

I disagree and start the reunion talk 16 Libertad was a flop, Contraband was a flop (in GN'R terms) and CD is a flop (in GN'R terms) because people don't care about fake GN'Rs. They are uninterested in an Axlless GN'R-copy and a Slashless GN'R-copy as well. Only the hardcores buy these albums and even some of them refuse to pay for Slash's or axl's work (not to mention Izzy's and Duff's solo career). Look at Led Zeppelin, Page and Plant. Both had serious problems with selling their solo albums, because the public thinks they together are the real deal. Same goes for GN'R. Had GN'R stayed together, they'd be in the league of Metallica and AC/DC, with some albums selling worse, some selling better. I'm really unsure if a reunion would ever take place, or it won't go downhill because of the egos and lawyers, but I think a functioning classic-GN'R that releases an album only in every 5 years (to avoid killing each other 16) would be huge. The big-big success of Greatest Hits showed it and tht was in 2004, not that long ago. The compilation was still in the top 100 a few months ago.

#2313 Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Vocalise should be on Slash's solo album! » 934 weeks ago

Mikkamakka
Replies: 5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dD4IWGOlRs

This song is amazing. I feel tempted to buy the Les Paul tribute album just for this one tune. I think it's a highlight of Slash's career and should definetely be on his solo album. I'd love to hear a full album of him improvising to some classics of this era, with some very old blues songs added with killer singers like Amy Winehouse, Fergie or Rod Jackson who can sing the shit out of everything. Long live Slash! 21


(Sorry for the Slashism 16)

#2314 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago

D-Machine wrote:

If They were promoting this album and trying their asses off and it flopped, it would no big deal. we would be positive, stand behind them and do all we could to make this a success.

Exactly. I'm not satisfied with the album, it's good, but not great, but hey, they (Axl and who?) don't really seem to be interested. The silence is cracking me. I mean, okay, Axl doesn't out there, cause he is Axl, but a damned interview wouldn't hurt! Just for the fuckin' fans, who followed him doing the years.

I'm quite disappointed that the players are still acting like puppets and they on't talk either. What are the afraid of? Getting fired when there is nothing in sight? The Axl camp said through their channels a numerous times that the players can talk about anything they want, but personal issues. They can freely talk about the music. Why the hell Tommy, Ron, Chris and Dizzy are not out there to talk about the album? They can skip the Axl questions, just talk about the fuckin' album and promote it a bit. So either they Axl camp lied and the guys can't talk about anything, cause it's so secret, or the musicians are uninterested in this effort and was around only for the money and they hope they'll get some more $$$ in the future. Other than that they don't give a fuck.

#2315 Re: Guns N' Roses » what are we disappointed with? » 934 weeks ago

GNRBABY wrote:
Communist China wrote:

Sure the album's awesome. But instead of re-launching GNR, it signals its final and complete cretaive death.

Make up your mind, is it a great album or does it signal death? You can't have it both ways. Creativity and album sales are NOT the same thing. Those of you  wanting/expecting Axl to "appeal" to the masses and be this "Bono" or " Bon Jovi" type of icon are in for a big dissapointment 16

After spending 13+ millions on the album, Axl suddenly becomes the underground hero. Wow. That's something new to me. Axl Rose is one of the biggest brands of rock. Ever. Guns N' Roses is one of the biggest brands, too. It's expected to sell a lot, even if it's only Axl's farting. It does not. We all have our theories for it, but one thing is sure: displaying the flop by acting like it'd be some huge art that people cannot understand is an Axl-type normalcy. No offense, mate. But Axl Rose is a bigger icon than Bon Jovi and he is (was?) in the Bono league without the saviour of the poor crap.

#2316 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago

killingvector wrote:

My thoughts exactly Smoking. It still lags CD in total spins because the label isn't pushing it.

The problem is not the label, the problem is Axl. Axl is not supporting his own album and he is the one who doesn't push it. We fans seem to care more about CD's success than the creator. Guess none of us should give a fuck, but I still have some sad feelings about it. Not much, but still some.

#2317 Re: Guns N' Roses » Chinese Democracy Chart Positions Thread » 934 weeks ago

Bye Bye Guns n` Roses
by Paul Cashmere - December 9 2008
photo by Ros O'Gorman


Guns n` Roses `Chinese Democracy` looks like vacating the US Top 10 after just one week.


Hitsdailydouble.com is estimating that the album will sell around 80,000 units this week in America, and with 69.42% of the week’s sales counted, has the album projected for number 12.

‘Chinese Democracy’ had a very ordinary debut in America last week when it only sold 261,200 units. (Gold in the USA in 500,000, Platinum is 1,000,000). Given the lead-up to the release, this was a very poor figure indeed.

In Australia, the album faired just as bad. In week one, including broken embargo sales, it did around 24,000 units. This week, it fell to number 7 after selling a further 11,391 units. (Gold in Australia is 35,000. Platinum is 70,000).

In Australia, Universal Music shipped 100,000 units into store upon high-expectations for the release. It has just sold Gold.

In the United States, an exclusive deal was done with the Best Buy chain to purchase 1.5 million units in advance for $9 per unit. It is only over halfway to Gold Stateside.

What a brilliant deal. Considering Axl is reported to have spent $14m making the album, Best Buy have paid off his debt. Best Buy have 1.2 million unsold CDs sitting around in the warehouse. That's not Axl's problem. He has the cheque.

http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=7118

#2318 Re: Guns N' Roses » what are we disappointed with? » 934 weeks ago

buzzsaw wrote:

I'm not disappointed at all.  The album was what I expected.  The sales results are what I expected.  The sentiment about going forward is what I expected. 

I guess I'm only disappointed in the supposed die hard fans of the new band jumping ship as they have (not that I blame them).  I really thought people were more into the new band than it turns out they really were.

What new band? The supporters of the Axl-version GN'R were mostly the Robin and Buckethead fans. They have nothing more to support, but Axl, who made even their heroes go away. Well, some of them still support Axl in his silence and loneliness.

Anyway, WeTheLiving summed it all well. 5

#2319 Re: Dust N' Bones & Cyborg Slunks » Velvet Revolver Still Mulling New Frontman » 934 weeks ago

Slinky Vagabond singer and fashion designer Keanan Duffty asked for and got the chance to put lyrics and vocals to two VR songs in a bid for the lead singer position. He said the songs came named "Motha Fucka" and "Clappy". The result of his work produced two songs named "Fear No Evil" and "Prima Donna". When asked if SLASH thought Duffty would be selected, he could not remember Duffty out of all the singers they have auditioned. So, it seems the search goes on!

http://www.snakepit.org/news.html

The interesting thing (beside that Slash didn't even remember the guy's name) is that 'Motha Fucka' was one of the tracks they were working on during the Libertad sessions, but it didn't make the album. I wonder how many tracks they think have potential, but due to Scott's attitude against GN'R-sounding song, was left off.

#2320 Re: Guns N' Roses » Better Official Single 12/02/08 » 934 weeks ago

faldor wrote:

His silence could solely be due to the fact that he doesn't want to go full throttle until he has the whole "who's actually in the band?" situation taken care of.  For all the crap he takes and for everyone who calls this version of GNR, "The Axl Rose Band", he very much likes to give credit to the band.  He doesn't want people to view it as a solo act.  So if he were to go out right now with Robin out playing with NIN and apparently not budging from that, he'd ultimately be asked about that.  Maybe he doesn't want to broach that question until he has a replacement lined up.  It took nearly 2 years to replace Bucket and Ron was added to the fold in the weeks leading up to the Hammerstein shows.  So while many of you seem to think Axl is just sitting back in his mansion twiddling his thumbs and counting his money, it's entirely possible he's actually actively searching to round out the bands lineup, ONCE AGAIN.  And once that's taken care of, then it's full speed ahead.

No offense, but I think your theory is thin. We all know that interviewers had to sign a paper about what cannot be asked. He can go the same route again. On the other hand, 2 guitarists are pretty much enough, so if he gets the 'who's in the band right now?' question he can tell the name of his 6 players. He can add that 'we're looking for a guitarist for the third spot, though' comment. I can't bleive he'd fuck up his album promotion just because he doesn't wanna say he's looking for another guitarist or unsure about Robin's future commitment. Throw away the work of a decade, just for Robin Finck's absence?

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