Yeah that bugged me too, Nirvana are OKAY, I listen to them to this day, but not close to Guns, or FNM or NIN or L7 or Soundgarden, etc etc...

Actually I even prefer Hole!

I think a lot of it was Guns didn't get a lot of critical respect because they came from the whole glam rock era thing and their songs at first were about good times, so they didn't have that whole angsty vibe that Nirvana & grunge had, that critics and the media really respected.

GnR and Crue etc were all kind of a joke to a lot of more mainstream media, whereas Kurt got hushed voices and respect that just escalated when he killed himself. Which I'm very sorry about but I doubt if Slash had died from an OD he'd have been accorded the same reverence. (OT, I read a biog of Cobain that said he was a bully at school, and it's pretty messed up that he then marketed himself as a poor victim/pro-feminist etc. But I'm going off on a tangent there. )

My theory is it's because the wannabes and never-was's who go into music journalism want to hear that rock stars are suffering, and not rolling like pigs in clover in a world of groupies, money and drugs on tap!

Yeah, I can see how it reads like that, but it wasn't my intention - just that I happened to prefer his stage performance over (pre-pacemaker btw) Slash.

But in my head because of the whole AFD/Lies/UYI stuff Slash is already on a kind of pedestal just for his playing, even if he went on and make Steven Hawking look like a breakdancer, and that's context that I didn't manage to get across in my post.

Slash's intro on Ain't It Fun alone is so moving I sometimes can't even listen to it, no other guitarist made me feel that way ever.

Long story short I love all incarnations of GnR, just that some stuff I like better - loved Adler's manic-lion look on the Ritz 88 video for example, though I don't think technically he could hold a candle to subsequent drummers.:thumbup:

None of the old band (or any people who've joined and left since) have suffered career-wise (or financially afaik) for being involved in GnR, so while it;s probably disappointing if a player you like leaves, I don't understand any need to hate their replacemtns, all of who are equally talented and bringing something of value to the band.

I think they had the closest friendship, and that can happen, I've seen it with my own long-time friends.

because they tend to know all about you, the good and the bad, things can get ugly if two people that close turn against each other, but things can get patched up really fast too to the outside world because you were friends so long for a reason, and there's always going to be some love there no matter what.

That's just my experience anyway.

Amen and a dash of the old karma to that! :thumbup::thumbup:

My mum wanted me to be a lawyer - people suck like that, living their own lives n' all! <joking, don't take offence mate! >