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Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
I cant find anything saying he took little kids into this secret room and the only alarms I find mentioned was an alarm that went off when someone entered his bedroom suite.
He was probably the most scrutinised person on the planet, his home and life was turned inside out looking for evidance. Apparantly thousands of kids stayed there over the years, if the guy was a genuine pedophile preying on kids at that ranch, it would have all came out under and there would have been no escape for him. Usually when a genuine serial abuser is ousted, a steady trickle of victims come forward, finally feeling safe enough to reveal whats happened to them. It didnt happen, where are all these children people assume he abused?
For me those 2 cases were motivated by money and with everything else that was disclosed in those cases, there was too many grey areas and people having to rely on their own imagination to figure out what kind of sick behaviour could have went on.
That thoughts of abusing a child in these sleepover situations might not ever have entered MJ's mind seems too much to believe for a lot of people. Its these peoples own mindsets that tell them there just has to be a sexual motive behind it all, genuine innocence and kind intentions is not a possibilty.
Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
Surely that Jordan Chandler report is fake? It would be all over the news if he really said it,
that's what i'm thinking as well...dont know the site it came from, but i'm guessing CNN and BBC would be all over it if it had any credentials...
Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
I cant find anything saying he took little kids into this secret room and the only alarms I find mentioned was an alarm that went off when someone entered his bedroom suite.
You don't see anything wrong with alarms going off so he'll know someone is approaching his room where he's in bed with a child?? 
Wow.......
Why the need for alarms? If his day to day life was simply an episode of Sesame Street(minus little girls of course), why cant his various maids, personal assistants,etc. be able to see what's going on?
Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
An alarm sounded when someone opened the door to the hallway leading to his bedroom suite whether he was in there alone, with adult guests, with personal staff or with children.
Like I said, he could have been in there alone pulling the head off it watching porn and didnt want a maid or someone else walking in on him.
It was his bedroom first and formost, he wasnt in there sleeping with kids every night. From what I've read on occasions when kids stayed, sometimes they pestered him to sleepover with him rather than use guests rooms, and he would want to sleep on the floor but they pestered him more.
Is there anything credible to suggest girls wernt allowed at Neverland?
I cant find anything saying that specifically, busloads of both boys and girls came to his ranch. All the porn police found in his house was hetrosexual, there was nothing suggesting he was gay.
To be honest I would be more suspicious of a man who was into little girls and shared his bed with them alone. But I'm straight, I cant get into a homo mindset, I've never lusted after anying other than girls.
Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
It was his bedroom first and formost, he wasnt in there sleeping with kids every night. From what I've read on occasions when kids stayed, sometimes they pestered him to sleepover with him rather than use guests rooms, and he would want to sleep on the floor but they pestered him more.
Come on! You're taking a giant leap there. Its ok if he sleeps with kids as long as its not every single night??
No wonder this guy was a couple bologna sandwiches and a quart of potato salad short of a picnic. He had the detractors on one side completely opposed to this garbage, and on the other those who thought it was peaches and cream.
If you have children, would you let them spend the weekend with him knowing he would sleep with them on Saturday night, but not on Sunday?
Is there anything credible to suggest girls wernt allowed at Neverland?
Hmm...maybe the facts? I'm going to laugh my ass of if the revisionist history goes in the direction of him also sleeping with little girls. We've known for 20 years he only slept with little boys. It was wrong. Period. Doesn't matter what sex organ was attached to the child in his bed, but we do know it was boys.
To be honest I would be more suspicious of a man who was into little girls and shared his bed with them alone. But I'm straight, I cant get into a homo mindset, I've never lusted after anying other than girls.
I'm not in no gay mindset either, and I know its wrong to be sleeping with little boys. It would be wrong once, but he did it over and over, year after year, decade after decade.
How any of this garbage can be defended just blows my mind.
Like some others have done after his untimely death, I'm willing to take a fresh look at this situation since some other info is now coming to light. IF he didn't molest children, then he obviously needs his name cleared ASAP, and if not an abuser, its tragic that he spent the last 20 years of his life with that stigma attached.
HOWEVER, child abuse or no abuse, these facts...
sleeping with little boys
sleeping with them over huge portions of his life
paying them off when one squeals(scam or no scam)
..cannot be disputed and hold up to scrutiny. So if his name is to be cleared in the court of public opinion, its gonna have to be with those facts staring the investigators in the face. They cant be altered, and insinuating girls hung out with this guy doesn't change a damn thing.
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Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
An alarm sounded when someone opened the door to the hallway leading to his bedroom suite whether he was in there alone, with adult guests, with personal staff or with children.
Exactly...this could easily have been connected to paranoia sleeping, and fear of being murdered in his sleep etc too. I would imagine it's not uncommon for celebs to sleep in places with quite heavy security, especially if they were known to have anxiety problems in the first place. An alarm signposting admission to your sleeping quaters is not that wierd.
While it's regrettable it existed in relation to the later allegations, I think it's being taken out of context when it's suggested that it's like he an alarm in his bedroom to have a private space to molest children. It could easily simply be that it was to ensure his own security and privacy when sleeping and/or in states of undress (eg without makeup/wigs/outfits) that he may not want to be seen or photographed by a random guest or hanger on who happened to be at the mansion.
That thoughts of abusing a child in these sleepover situations might not ever have entered MJ's mind seems too much to believe for a lot of people. Its these peoples own mindsets that tell them there just has to be a sexual motive behind it all, genuine innocence and kind intentions is not a possibilty.
Yes! No one is suggesting that what he did was normal or proper. But there also isn't any real evidence other than our assumptions that it was being done for a sexualised purpose. The fact that MOST people who did that would do it for peverted means does not mean that ANYONE who did it would do so.
I think it's quite likely that:
1. He was intensly private and or paranoid about security and hense had alarms on his bedroom etc.
2. Through his own pshcyological abuse and mental problems he had difficultly relating to most adults and prefered the company of children who allowed him to experince simple things like friendship, childlike excitment and happiness without the complications that tend to come from adult friends. (ie: people tricking him to get to his money, people wanting more sophisticated levels of entertainment etc). I believe this was non sexual and simply plutonic. In relation to sharing a bed it was unusal and improper to our community, but not in and of itself based on sex but rather on his own childlike innocence and personality.
3. His mental problems made it difficult for him to see, understand, or care that an everage person does not engage in point #2 above and that it looks bad to normal people.
4. His own sexulity was either that he was a closet homosexual as some have suggested, or that he simply wasn't overly sexual or his sexuality took a back seat to his other social anixieties and so he preferred masturbation etc to the pressure of engaging in normal sexual relationship with a man or woman. But it's worth noting in any event that being homosexual does not make him a pedophile. most homosexuals are attracted to adult men not boys, just as most guys are attracted to adult women and not little girls.
Obviously this is just my opinion. But it seems to me looking at what we do know, that it's equally as likely as the alternative.
But I think that's the sad thing - that the combination of his social and unbringing related mental issues as above, through its obvert unusualness could create an impression that he was some kind of monster pedophile when in fact if the above theory is correct he was probably one of the most unliekly people to harm a child.
Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
Olorin wrote:Surely that Jordan Chandler report is fake? It would be all over the news if he really said it,
that's what i'm thinking as well...dont know the site it came from, but i'm guessing CNN and BBC would be all over it if it had any credentials...
And why woud you think that? Since when has ANY media had journalistic integrity?
The last thing the media wants to admit to the world is they were the Roman Empire and Michael Jackson was Jesus Christ.
It'd be damn sad footnote that they destroyed such a man for a rating share.
If this Jordie Chandler thing turns out to be true, he's an innocent man. Remember, he was acquitted on all counts on the second trial.
Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
because they're bloodhounds, and they would latch onto this regardless of whether its true or not...so it leads me to believe that this may be someone's personal blog and they may not be taking it very seriously...
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Re: Jordan Chandler “I Lied for my father, i’m sorry Michael”
Sorry James. I don't agree with you. Is a normal adult sleeping with strange kids normal, no. But Michael Jackson wasn't normal. He built a child's dream home for himself to live in. He wanted to share that with people and your average adult could never appreciate his world the same way as a child could. I think Jackson probably suffered from intimacy issues. But I think his home and love for children were his escape for his mega-stardom and a chance to be innocent. He achieved that by sharing his wealth and fantasy world with children allowing him to be part of his innocence.
