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#1 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 16 weeks ago

General/Monsters is better than I expected. Not much Ben-Hur samples, eh? 16

G - Malibu. The old hat, "woes from hoes". Almost cringey at first listen, but...
M - Lafayette. Mood swing and the underlying trauma. Paging Mr Bailey.

Overall, good stuff, raw emotion. It can be hard to record so personal material, let alone release it.

James wrote:
misterID wrote:

I love what RTB did with the songs, and I’ll never understand the love for Beavan’s production

The Beavan material is the album(s) at its purest. If you properly mix/master that material, it's ready to go.


RTB added a lot of flimflam with mixed results. Freese's comparatively angry, snappy drum tracks were replaced; the tempos were loosened up. I'd still like to hear the Beavan album, with Bucket and Brain May spliced in.

#2 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 16 weeks ago

James wrote:
misterID wrote:

It could have been that they were always meant to bleed into each other. Those orchestrations were really long and intricate

Everyone forgets the interludes... probably because it was only mentioned once.

Both these songs may have initially had an interlude sandwiched between them.

James wrote:
wagszilla wrote:

James refresh my mind on the interludes thing.

I just looked it up and it's not in CD Whispers. Fuck.

It was probably a Stinson and/or Fortus email in 2005 and obviously all those types of things weren't archived. The majority of CD Whispers is articles/interviews.

You mean this?

"I recorded a little bitty thing [for CD] last week, for like a, sort of a quick little interlude to another song." (Tommy, Rhinocast, 01/16/06)

#3 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 16 weeks ago

Shacklermyrye wrote:

The vocals on the heavy part of monsters are real close to his Angel down vocals tone wise. I think there probably from around 2006

Yup. I'd also put State of Grace in the same basket.

#4 Re: Guns N' Roses » The General and Monsters » 16 weeks ago

Shacklermyrye wrote:

Daddy don't I swear I won't
I'll be good from now on and I'm awful sorry
Daddy don't, the hell I won't
I won't be good anymore, and you'll all be sorry.

Can anybody tell me why the pain itself wont stop?
Can anybody help me? The pain it just won't stop

How do you figure it goes from there?

I've got...

my only regret
is that i never took
the time to (beget??)

of all those broken feelings
that were never spared

and those who also stand in
in that respect???
and not just all in meaning

#5 Re: Guns N' Roses » The next GNR album: Current known state of songs » 26 weeks ago

Just to say...

Legendary mastering engineer Bob Ludwig has recently announced his retirement, along with the closure of Gateway Mastering Studios, the facility he founded in 1992. He made the announcement on 2 July 2023, saying: “I won’t be taking on new mastering work as of June 30. - src

Knowing Axl, Perhaps was turned in the last day 16

#6 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 35 weeks ago

Nice work, Shacklermyrye! Those little snippets sound more interesting than half the CD tracks. The lyrics (or the best guess thereof) sound like Axl describing a pit of depression. He should've gone there earlier.

Having said that, the only release I expect is posthumous. Much of the vault would have to be pried off the cold, dead hands of the frontman, nigh literally. Why so? His dark side is an insecure man-baby with a bad narcissistic streak. Only perfection (in his head) will do, and the music industry (Geffen/Uni) stopped coiling around him at around the year 2000. So, nobody there's pampering him and giving him the ungodly monies and attention as they used to in the UYI days. Of course, he always finds others to blame it on, instead of ever saying the buck stops with him.

Following this band is like watching a progressive disease. There's a glimmer of hope here and there, a false dawn. Then it all goes dark again. Did you know that TSI? and CD were both released on Nov 23rd, 15 years apart? No album this November and the band will set a new internal record in not releasing a record.

#7 Re: Guns N' Roses » If GNR releases nothing in 2023, is this the end for you? » 43 weeks ago

Remember that time in 2006 when Axl showed up at Derek Trucks' show at the Roxy and hung out with them afterwards? Five years ago, members of the Big Damn Band shed a little more light on how it was to hang out with him in Trucks' tour bus. They mention how they were wary at the time to spill the beans to the media despite numerous call-ups around the world. A lot of fans have disliked their story, because it paints Ax in a little... unfavorable light.

Do I believe their story? In essence, yes. They met Axl, for sure. They remember his then-age correctly (44yrs). He was interested in getting Derek to play on CD. This was in February, a few months before Ron was begged to join the band. All that stuff checks out in terms of timelines.

They describe Axl as pretty easygoing at first. During the afterparty, he takes in loads of Patron tequila. No more Mr Nice Guy. After some left-field events like a call from his stepsister Amy Bailey to inform him of a newborn nephew/niece, Axl storms into Derek's tour bus, where the others have already gathered. He insists everybody listens to some CD tracks. His abrasiveness kills the mood and he intimidates everybody. Derek's wife passes out, the BDB members scuffle out at the first opportunity. Derek is left alone with Axl. He manages to loose Axl at the parking lot and hides under a car. Axl's handlers presumably find him wandering around, utterly wasted, hollering at the out-of-sight Derek.

It's a rare and, I'd say, pretty believable look into his mindscape in that era. That's likely the routine TB have had to deal with repeatedly when he's had too much to drink in a social setting. Had he presented the offer differently, Derek might've even guested on CD. But this is how Axl rolls. It's sort of amazing that he got people like Bucket to join the band in the first place. Has he really changed that much since? I doubt. It's something of a miracle he's kept the touring act together all these years.

#8 Re: The Sunset Strip » Metallica - Lux Aterna » 63 weeks ago

72 seasons equals 18 years. Cover art suggests toys thrown out of a pram.

Are they getting over a spoiled brat phase, finally? 16

#9 Re: Guns N' Roses » Will the next single be something we've heard already? » 80 weeks ago

davegnfnr2k wrote:
misterID wrote:

Dude, I never said they weren’t! This isn’t a gotcha moment, Dave, it’s literally you not understanding what we’ve been telling you.

Do you also admit that Axl submitted an album back around 1999ish that the label rejected?

It's probably more in the lines of Jimmy Iovine being ticked off by it. Iovine then discouraged Axl. It's an odd thing to say, but yeah - Interscope had an opening to release the album, but they apparently slow-walked Axl into starting over again.

#10 Re: Guns N' Roses » Why no photo shoots after 1991? » 82 weeks ago

When Doug Goldstein replaced Alan Niven as manager, they stopped functioning as a normal band. This was in around 1991, I think. After that, Axl's proven difficult to be coaxed into a room with the others most of the time. This creates a Catch-22: while he's open to ideas in the studio and allows the players some freedom with the live arrangements, lack of band photos goes on to portray him as the head honcho, separate from the backing band. Hard to say if this has been intentional, but it has been the resulting perception.

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