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#141 Re: Guns N' Roses » Song #2 (Unknown Title) » 889 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

I think people are just praying this isn't Prostitute because its not living up to the massive expectations and hype created for this song over the past decade.

The "big enchilada" wound up being a stale taco.....

Again, I agree.  Assuming we're correct, the reality of the song can't possible match the myth that has surrounded the track.  The price to pay for being a die-hard fan,  I suppose?

I don't think it's "prosecute," either.  To me, it's definitely "prostitute."  Weird that it's one of the very few words in the song that isn't immediately obvious, though.

#142 Re: Guns N' Roses » Song #2 (Unknown Title) » 889 weeks ago

Dadud wrote:

i think it is prostitute, looking at the lyrics. that one part

"Ask yourself what I would do
to _____  myself
to live with fortune and shame
you should have done to the hearts of the ones
that you would not stay"
Prostitute fits in there and makes sense, and it kind of sounds like it is what he says.

It's at the 3:53 mark, and it's *exactly* what it sounds like.  I honestly don't think it could be anything else at this point.

#143 Re: Guns N' Roses » New NIN single w/Robin released... » 898 weeks ago

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/

Rolling Stone has a story on the single's release, yet the page is blank at the moment, only giving an error message.  I was hoping for some information on the track, but no such luck for now.  Hopefully it will be fixed soon...

#145 Re: Guns N' Roses » If you're Axl and you're ready to tour.... » 898 weeks ago

That's a tough one.  I see it one of two ways at this point.

And yes, my opinions are my own, and based on a lot of assumptions about Axl and the band that I ultimately know very little about.  That said:

Axl seems like a driven and meticulous perfectionist, all of which I obviously mean as a compliment.  He also seems to appreciate and thrive on the energy between  players, and has put tremendous effort into crafting a band "dynamic" that is worthy of the name Guns 'n Roses and the music they create together.

Assuming - and it's a colossal assumption - that part of the problem is that Axl is driven to recapture or recreate the dynamic or spark that existed between the original lineup and the music they made, perhaps the best way to do that is to actually try to work with the original lineup once again.  Maybe it's the only way at this point to make peace with his demons and move forward creatively and musically.  If that's the case, then I wouldn't expect to see much of the material written and recorded for CD released without some major overhauls and a prolonged wait, re-writing and re-recording parts to accommodate new (aka old) players and contributions.  If it would ever be released at all.

But that's not gonna happen.

There is simply too much to prove at this point, and way too much on the line.  Axl has been toiling over this monster for far too long (understatement, that is!) to not receive the validation of releasing CD on his own terms, when it sounds the way he wants it to sound, and when it's played by the players he chooses to surround himself with, those who can also deliver the songs live they way they are meant to be heard.   Given what we've been fortunate enough to preview, this album will be more than worth the wait (again, understatement). 

So to answer the question:  Robin or no Robin, Chinese Democracy will happen on Axl's terms, and that's exactly how it should be.  His legacy, and that of Guns n Roses, largely depends on it at this point.  Given the large rotating cast of contributors to the album, Robin - unfortunately - may ultimately be relegated to footnote status in not only Axl's story, but also that of Chinese Democracy and Guns 'n Roses.  Therefore, I don't see him as worth the "blank check" option.

That said, I sincerely hope Robin stays in the fold.  If not, give that blank check to someone who will help motivate and inspire Axl to keep writing and recording phenomenal music, and who will help make his vision into a reality.

#146 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR issue statement about Robin » 898 weeks ago

I suppose it all depends on how you read it, but the news sites that are running with the official statement really seem to put their own slant on it.  I think this one, for example, makes it sounds like Robin is no longer in the band...

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20193925,00.html

Guns N' Roses stated on its website that the band is ''in negotiations for the release of Chinese Democracy and things are going well.'' The statement about the ridiculously long-awaited album was included as part of a post about the band's new management. No other information was included about the record, which was most recently scheduled for release in March 2007. The band also revealed that guitarist Robin Finck has left GN'R to return to Nine Inch Nails for a tour this summer, and in a separate post shot down Internet rumors that the band was participating in a new reality show. ''The reality TV rumors started a little while ago and have taken on an Internet life of their own, but there is no truth to any of this,'' the post reads.

#147 Re: Guns N' Roses » Billboard.Com Spin » 898 weeks ago

russtcb wrote:

WOW....talk about spin. This just appeared on Billboard.com:


Guns N' Roses 'Negotiating' To Release New Album
April 21, 2008, 12:55 PM ET
Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.

With a new management team in place, Guns N' Roses is "in negotiations" for the release of its decade-in-the-making album "Chinese Democracy," according to a post on the band's Web site.

The message did not elaborate on what the discussions concern, or offer an approximate release date for "Chinese Democracy," which was last on Interscope's release schedule in March 2007.

In other GNR news, guitarist Robin Finck has left the Axl Rose-led band to return to Nine Inch Nails, and will tour with the latter act this summer.

"Robin's plans caught everyone in Guns, as well as our fans, a bit off-guard," the band says. "Neither we nor management, etc., know any more in this regard and we prefer not to speculate or offer opinions at this time."

 
"When we begin to put tour plans together, we'll see where things are," the post continues. "Until then, Robin's touring with NIN and we're working with management on our game plans."

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/art … 1003791891

Seriously?

The point of the post was to address the Robin issue and Billboard reports it like it's a positive update on CD?? These managers must be good at spin!

Either that, or the people at Billboard are as anxious and eager as we are.  Hell, I'm just glad we can use "managers" and "GnR" in the same sentence again....

#148 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR issue statement about Robin » 898 weeks ago

James Lofton wrote:

No, mysteron has been around the forums for years.

You don't remember that street team fiasco a few years back?

Honestly, I was still on the sidelines back then.  Visiting all the time, posting and participating very, very rarely.  Summarize sometime if you would....

#149 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR issue statement about Robin » 898 weeks ago

bigbri wrote:
bazgnr wrote:
madagas wrote:

Russ, you just need to delete your account there....that is what I did. 22

Ah, so *this* is where everybody went....

Ha, ha, you've seen the light.

No kidding...this is a bit like a homecoming, isn't it?  Nice to see everyone again!

Me, I still think Mysteron = Mister Ron.  Didn't he start posting around the time Ron was/wasn't going to join GnR before things initially took a turn for the worse?  Not to mention I remember him posting about Savatage in a thread and commenting on "rock operas."  All intuition, but it seems like a good fit to me.

As for Robin, I'm glad that something official has come out.  The release seems to have far more good news buried in it than anything negative, whether Robin stays or goes in the end.  It certainly doesn't make the band sound like they're on the best of personal terms w/ Robin at the moment, but ultimately, you don't have to be friends - or even friendly - to be an active and important member in terms of writing and touring.  We'll see when the time comes...

#150 Re: Guns N' Roses » GNR issue statement about Robin » 898 weeks ago

madagas wrote:

Russ, you just need to delete your account there....that is what I did. 22

Ah, so *this* is where everybody went....

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