Once again the media jumping on music to explain life's issues.

The kid was an anti-social psychopath that went on a rampage. He's criminally INSANE. It has nothing to do with Slipknot. He needs to be in the booby hatch for the rest of his life.

But hate it, but Wal-Mart is the way to go with music artists today that want make 'old school' money.

And CD is an album that is 'epic-ly' in the red. The only way it'd turn a profit is a deal like this.

Yeah, good post Saikin. And the thing is i've never in my life to be one of those "we are owed", "we're the fans".

I actually hate that shit.

But Axl has dug his own grave at this point to me, even if it's from people 'by association'. AXL created this mystery shit. Not the fans. Axl. Axl created a sole atmosphere all on his own that he treats his fans no different than his bandmates. Strictly business. A music consumer brand name - Guns N' Roses.

And that's fine.

But it works both ways. No longer will I be the guy standing there making excuses for the guy while arguing with some Slashite that calls Axl "that asshole". I won't sit there acting like it doesn't bother me that he didn't show up 'til past midnight at a concert that had a 10pm start time for GN'R. I won't defend this band as 'GUNS N ROSES', because people just need to give the new band a chance.

Axl fucking Rose hasn't given the new band a chance. Not once.

And my attitude, my anger is not directed solely at the recent revelations by MSL. It's directed at a compounding of things, MSL's statement being the final straw. I've read with my own eyes countless times, quotes by Beta making smart ass comments directed towards the fans. "The album's finished. Everyone knows that." The 2nd part being an intentional knife twist in the back of fans. Del posted an absolute tirade on GNR.com - officially, no different than a press release - skewering GN'R fans for complaining about setlists. You should be happy you get what you get. NO dude. We pay for the tickets. Not you. Not Axl. WE do. The FANS. If enough fans band together and say "Axl we'd like for the band to re-introduced 'Estranged' back into the setlist". Axl responds, "no we're not doing that". Fans respond, "I don't remember it being a request Mr. Rose. It's an order".

I had the time of my life in 2006. But it was WAY before alot of this shit went down the way it did. The despicable way they threw Merck to the wolves, after he had defended them for years... even though he was indeed a lightweight with weak ideas.

I honestly don't think I will even get tickets if the new band ever tours again. I might think about it if Bucket returns, but I still doubt it'll happen. Reunion would probably be the only thing to get me to buy tix again.

Eventually you just reach a point, where you have to act as a consumer, as a business associate RIGHT BACK at Axl, and say "no Mr. Rose, your recent behavior, unprofessionalism, and sub-par product under the name 'GUNS N ROSES' has led me, as a fan, to the decision to now disavow myself from any future live shows under the name 'GUNS N ROSES' that do not involve one Saul Hudson, Michael McKagen, & Jeff Isabelle."

Biden would be a horrible choice too. It'll win Obama votes with firm liberal left-wingers, but it'll cost him the moderate vote.

If Obama were to go with Biden, even if it's a better choice than Kerry, and then McCain goes with Lieberman. This is gonna be alot closer of an election than I originally thought... and I originally thought Obama would walk away with it.